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  1. No LN2 and good cpu is always sad story
  2. Noobism detected 🙈 - disable hardware recognition, the wrapper is too old and due to no update it prevents files to be accepted. Happy benching 😛
  3. Zadak 511 Shield DDR4-4133C18 short review Welcome to my first look at Zadak 511s 2x8GB Shield DDR4-4133 C18 memory kit. Let´s talk first about Zadak 511, it is a new name for most of us. The company is a new division of Apacer which has specialized on highend gaming components and modding. It offers pc memory, ssds and pc-modding devices and already drew some attention with sponsoring the hardwarebot world tour stage at computex as well as with its extravagant products and web presence. ZADAK 511 Specifications and first impression Part number ZD4-SHK4133C18-08GAS XMP DDR4-4133 C18-20-20-48 1,40 Volt The sticks use a black pcb labelled B84URCA2 HF 0.30 with eight 1 GB Chips which are located at one side of the pcb. The used ics are produced by Samsung and labelled K4ABG08-5WB BCPB which tells us that these are the so called B-die Samsung which are famous for their excellent overclocking behaviour. The SPD of the sticks has several JEDEC approved profiles which make it boot up at DDR4-2400 C17-17-17-39 1,20v on default, which is one step above the usual 2133 other vendors usually use. Generally it is clear Zadak 511 uses highend quality components, the pcb and chip position on it are non default though, a fact we will talk about later. Tests CPU Intel Core i5 7600K retail Mainboard Asrock Z170M OC Formula Memory Zadak 511 Shield DDR4-4133C18 VGA KFA² Geforce GTX275 PSU Mushkin AP 800W Inserting the sticks for the first time we had saw it boot up at DDR4-2400 C17 1,20v without problems, we then enabled the XMP which did work flawless. The rated DDR4-4133 C18-20-20-48 worked at first try for us and were memtest stable. We then started to evaluate lowest possible voltage for the XMP but moved on very fast to also tighten main timings at same time because it was easy to see the memory could do a lot more than advertised. We ended up at 4133 C18-18-18-48 at 1,35v and did not bother to lower voltage more but moved on to check some possible daily settings within the safe range of 1,40v the kit is specified for DDR4-4000 17-17-17-39 1,35v worked easily, to demonstrate stability we did not only use Dos memtest this time but made a run of more than one hour using HCI memtest for windows which worked fine. Then we moved up again to DDR4-4133, the timings of 17-17-17-39 provided no challenge for us even at 1T command rate, Dos memtest and Superpi 32m as well as other tests worked easily Afterwards we moved up in frequency and reached around 4220 17-17-17-36 at 1,45-1,47v. This is an awesome result for low voltage at Command rate 1T and quite tight settings. Bench tests Being a passionate member of hwbot.org and addicted to benching, I decided to give the sticks a go for hardcore performance tests at a combination of high frequency and tight timings. No need to emphasize that this takes a lot of voltage and is risky, apart from this it voids your warranty at least in theory. Benchmarks used were superpi32m, xtu, geekbench3, legacy Futuremark benchmarks like 3DM01-06 and a few more. Above 1,45v my mainboard starts to overvolt the dram in relation to BIOS settings, so take in that the 1,87v max used for the results are around 1,92-1,93v real. I did a couple of fast tests at 3600 and 3733 C12-12-12-28 220 1T, this worked easily so I moved on to DDR4-3866. At this frequency all used benchmarks worked at 12-12-12-28 220 1T around 1,76-1,78v BIOS, real 1,8-1,82v, 12-11-11-28 worked at same voltage Encouraged by the very good results up to this point, I moved to DDR4-4000 – and failed at this divider at Cas12. No matter what I tried, varying all subtimings, twcl, TRCD and so on including command rate, RTL and IOL settings and tertiaries up to slopes and obscure settings, at DDR4-4000 divider at 100BCLK I failed boot. So I moved down to DDR4-3866 and worked my way up with BCLK, and finally reached a bench stable setting of around DDR4-4000 12-12-12-28 220 1T at 1,87v BIOS, 1,92-1,93v real. On a side note, I personally see the reaon for this at the used PCB and IC configuration. A couple of weeks ago I was able to test some Apacer DDR4-3733C17 which also used Samsung B-die and had the same PCB and IC-placement the Zadak now have. These encountered exact the same problems on various boards and cpus I used. It seems that this configuration, which is very uncommon and different from all kits from different vendors and bins I tested up to date, is a handbrake for benchmarking at extreme high frequency at low cas. I rule out the quality of ics and pcb itself, as these are best of brand components for sure, also the spd, which was different on the kits I tested at this ic layout was different. This makes the Zadak, which are the best gaming and 24/7 memory kit I tested so far only semi useful for highend benching at heavy duty at least for me. Of course there is always a possibility me as tester or my components fail, but this happened now only 2 times with kits which had the exact same configuration, the more than 100 kits I tested from different vendors never showed a similar problem, and I can rule out voltage tolerance because being desperate I even tried 1,95v in BIOS to check this and the kit posted, entered windows and worked without problems at 3866 divider 12-11. Facit and rating We still do not know the retail price of this kit, so I cannot comment on price performance rating. Vendors with comparable bins sell these in Europe at 250-300 Euros for 2x8GB at the moment. The optics are awesome, the options for daily use within rated voltage are best I saw so far. If these hit retail and keep quality this sample shows, they are highly recommended for gaming systems for highend loving enthusiasts as they offer complete stability at low voltage with good timings at 4000 and 4133 and even above. For heavy benchmark duty like semi pro and pro oc effort at hwbot or other competitive benchmark sites, I can only recommend them partially, They are completely stable at 3866 12-11 tight at a relatively low voltage, with bclk oc you can get them stable near 4000 c12, but the problem that I could not use them at 4000 and higher using this divider is a serious handicap for benchers. In the end I can give a limited recommendation for benchmark use and a 100% recommendation for daily use and especially best of brand gaming systems on which you want to go for the limits and above. Thanks to Erin Chou and Zadak 511 for providing these beautiful memory sticks and thanks for reading
  4. websmile

    Zadak 511 Shield DDR4-4133C18 short review

    I sold my kit because I got practically zero feedback by Zadak and it became clear that there obviously was no interest in any kind of longer partnership. They are in Japan now^^
  5. websmile

    Hands on DDR4-4600 C18 G.Skill TridentZ RGB

    @EDORAM If the kit boots with 1,35 or higher, that´s what imc needs - normally Intel cpus are quite reliable at these voltages, still the voltage is quite high. Not sure if this is healthy when used for years Calvin, if you can´t do 4600c14, try 0.9v vtt and vary settings, it is for sure not mem issue if this doesnt work
  6. Hi and welcome to my short review of the 2x8GB G.Skill TridentZ DDR4-4600 C18-22-22-42 RGB memory kit. 1. Optics and specifications The G.Skill F4-4600C18D-16GTZR come in the classic cardboard box G.Skill uses for its DDR4-premium series, the two 8GB modules are packed in a matching memory tray inside. Apart from a sticker with the part-number and specifications, you can also see that the RGB series won several awards, that this specific kit is optimized for Intel systems and that several software suites like RGB fusion as well as the Asus, Asrock and MSI RGB software tools support ways to customize and control the light effects. These are at the moment the highest rated retail kit available in Europe, cheapest shop price is around 510 Euros. G.Skill DDR4-4600C18D-16GTZR The sticks themselves use classic brushed aluminium heatsinks we all know from the DDR4 TridentZ series, one side is gray and the other one black, the top is white and transparent to let the RGB light effects shine. The PCB is black, a quick look with Taiphoon burner shows us it is 8-layer as well as the fact that the chips used are manufactured by Samsung, the so called B-die ICs, eight pieces used on one side of the PCB which is a standard configuration nowadays of 8GB sticks of higher bin. Visual inspection tells then that a so called short trace PCB, also known as A2-layout, is used, this means that the gap in the middle between chip 4 and 5 is wider than on older classic layout A1 is wider. This is more and more common today and meant to optimize low voltage for high frequency. On the benefits and disadvantages of this we will make a notice later in this test. 2. Tests and overclocking Method and test systems The kit was tested using Geekbench3, Intel XTU benchmark and Superpi 32m in windows, apart from this all settings that are OK for daily use had to pass DOS memtest which shows errors independent from cpu or other hardware or software influences, checks the whole amount of Ram and is first choice to check the memory itself. We used 64bit operating systems, no maxmem (limited use of memory) set. Hardware Asus Maximus Apex X Z370 BIOS 1704 Intel Corei5-8600K 2x8GB G.Skill TridentZ DDR4-4600C18-22-22-42 1,5v (F4-4600C18D-16GTZR) Seasonic Focus 1050W For the low timing pro benchmark tests, we used windows xp 32 for SuperPi 32m with waza and Windows 8 or 10x64 with maxmem set to 4000MB, this is necessary because at higher voltage and low main timings. Hardware2 Asrock Z170M OC Formula BIOS 7.21B Intel Corei5-7600K 2x8GB G.Skill TridentZ DDR4-4600C18-22-22-42 1,5v(F4-4600C18D-16GTZR) Seasonic Focus 1050W Results for the Asus Apex X system First of all, we had to upgrade the BIOS to latest version to make the XMP work, then this was easy. Timings of 18-22-22-42 2T at DDR4-4600 were set, voltage was 1,5v BIOS. We made several check, resulting in the lowest voltage for these settings to be at 1.40v. We then went up with the frequency, but had to accept that 4600c18 was already very close to the limit of our IMC on air, so we had to loosen the timings to run a stable 4700 19-26-26-45 2T at 1,4v, we then were able to boot and go to win at same settings but could not reach stability, with IMC voltages already at 1,4v+ and same for DMI voltage, we accepted the imc limits and went on to fid sweetspot settings for 24/7. With a memory kit rated like the G.Skill TridentZ DDR4-4600, you do not want to gift away performance. Having this in mind, we used one of the predefined memory profiles of our board (Raja 4133 1,4v profile) because there is no need to reinvent the wheel when experts did the job, with tightened secondary and tertiary timings for optimal performance and started to vary this and work our way up. After the profile worked easily, we tightened timings again, went up from 4133 16-16 to 4200 to 4300 17-17-17-42-360 and ended up at DDR4-4300 16-16-16-38 360 rockstable at 1,5v, not minimized. All these results are only values to show the potential, your mileage may vary and please take in that the Apex X for me was unable to run 1T at 4000 and above stable with any memory kit at low voltage daily settings with BIOS 1704. On the second systems, I made crosschecks and there it worked flawless with KBL up to 4133, highest divider. Results for Z170M OC Formula system Now, let´s go to the benchmark tests for competitive use. We had to do all of these on our Test-system #2, for a simple reason. Due to the layout, a well known problem showed up on the Apex X, about which we already have confirmed information that it also hits Apex IX – the memory kit, no matter how good it is, with the A2 PCB layout will not post above DDR4-3866C12, lots of kits already fail 3800, and for our kit 3866c12 was end of the road as well. Of course I was not satisfied with this, for me it was clear that the first tests showed that this kit has a lot of benching potential, so I moved on to the Z170 system. After a quick Post test for DDR4-4000 12-11-11-28 1T, which easily worked, I simply moved on to DDR4-4133 12-11-11-28-220 1T and started to move up with Geekbench 3 and XTU. Finally I opted out, due to imc limit, near DDR4-4220 12-11-11-28 tight settings around 2,05v, not minimized or maxed out, set in BIOS. I also checked the kit for the capability to run the famous copy waza tweak, which creates enormous pressure on the ram, at using old windows xp, and 4133 12-11-11-28 220 tight worked easily, with 2v set, not minimized and lots of headroom left. Conclusion and final thoughts After I finished my test suite, the performance of the G.Skill F4-4600GTZR completely convinced me. These are not only the highest rated retail kit available at the moment in Europe, but also extremely well selected and made an excellent job at various settings I tested for daily overclocking and performance optimization. A small annoyance was the fact, that after the necessary BIOS update on the Asus Apex X, I had problems with RTLs and IOLs being quite loose, but this was tested to be on all kits I used for comparison to confirm this. Might be a price to pay for extremely high frequency now, and we all learned that frequency on new systems is one of the most important performance factors. I saw gains at all benchmarks, especially at Geekbench 3 memory performance when optimizing at 4133-4300 C16 to C18 at below 1.35-1,5v, and stability was excellent. This was extremely important for me because 4600 needed very high memory controller and dmi voltage to work. Second annoyance was the compability problem with the memory layout and the Apex, I will do no fingerpointing here, but the fact that the A2-Layout is used for years now by nearly all leading manufacturers of oc memory and that pro overclocking at 4000c12 works on Z170 boards for example raises some questions for me, especially when influential members of the industry emphasize A2 is becoming more and more of a standard. I will not include this in the pros and cons, this is not a mainboard review. Now let´s see my pros and cons. Pro Excellent performance, IMC is the limit Good capability to run tighter timings at high frequency at daily useable voltage Scalable RGB lighting for modders and performance enthusiasts Awesome pro benching capabilities Limited life long manufacturer warranty Con High price 4600+ needs high board and imc voltages – this is a problem for all kits rated this high Thanks for reading My thanks go to G.Skill and G.Skill Deutschland@FB for the support and the sample. Published first on OCX forums
  7. Use G.Skill, no compability problems even with a2
  8. I don´t think skylake and newer systems need Hept enabled - these rely on an internal clock and are not vulnerable to the rtc bug. Because of the understandable confusion I think the developper can explain this as well, and please don´t send reports next days until this is cleared P.S. And yes, it is really confusing if this is now shown as red "Hept not enabled" on 8700K - that´s why clarification is needed and maybe a fix
  9. OK, you killed hwbot.org Micka - no mercy for you 😛
  10. websmile

    Hands on DDR4-4600 C18 G.Skill TridentZ RGB

    As said, try to play with vccsa and io - if all settings are auto these might be too high, I did not use gene so I can only tell you with 1704 which fixed a problem on apex x, I had no problems to run xmp. Maybe try xas 19, I have no idea what causes the problem
  11. websmile

    GSkill DDR4/ Ram-pot (ww)

    Hi, after I lost my complete 1151v2 hardware due to a wonderful person seeling a defective cpu on ebay I decided to exit overclocking and memory testing for good. It was only the last push into a direction I already moved to, so I sell most of my remaining stock 1. 2x8GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB DDR4-4133C17 Maybe best a2 kit I ever saw and had, got it directly from gskill, retail. there seems to be nothing it can´t do. Tested for 4133 12-11 waza tight on mocf at 1,95v BIOS (not minimized) and it can clearly do more, imc limited with 7600K I did 4240 air 12-11 gb3 and xtu on mocf as well, 4266 12-11 on apex XI no problem (CB11.5, CB15 ), 4800 C14-13 easy at 2v, easy 4600c17 plus daily below 1,5v and so on. in box with sticker 2. 2x8GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB DDR4-4266C19 Very good low voltage kit, I tested it for 32m on apex xi 1,98v not minimized (no MOCF at hand), cb15 4266 12-12 2,055v Bios, 4800C14 1,97v GB3. Also testing for daily oc at very tight settings 4600 17-17-17-37 at 1,5v, not minimized. In box with sticker 3. 2x8GB G.Skill Trident Z DDR4-4133C19GTZC Strong kit, Checked for waza 4k on impact a while ago (didn´t try higher on daily runner) , will definitely do more, 4133, 4200 up to 4260 C12-12 GB3/XTU etc 2,02v-2,14v on Apex X and XI. in box with sticker 4, Intel Pentium G3220 (s.1150) Works, got this pretested from a friend to do good bclk and very good on imc, but never checked more than that it works bc of lack of time. Tray 5. EK Waterblocks sf3d memory pot One heatspreader screw is missing but easily replacable and it also works without this, pot itself is insulated with armaflex. in Box Prices (shipping not included) 1. 400 Euros sold 2. 285 Euros sold 3. 250 Euros sold 4. 20 Euros sold 5. 35 Euros sold Items are located in germany, payment with paypal (gift payment) or bank transfer in germany. EU shipping will be around 15 Euros, for non eu please get a quote
  12. websmile

    GSkill DDR4/ Ram-pot (ww)

    #4 sold and paid, mem-pot sold, thread is closed. Thanks for the space hwbot
  13. websmile

    GSkill DDR4/ Ram-pot (ww)

    Sorry Alexandre, both kits are sold in a bundle
  14. websmile

    GSkill DDR4/ Ram-pot (ww)

    Still available
  15. websmile

    GSkill DDR4/ Ram-pot (ww)

  16. I really like the fact evga returned with a competetive highend board, but due to price and availability in germany it is no option for me, Maybe if I see it do 4266 c12 32m air like I could do on apex XI I will buy a used board if it ever appears at europe at a decent price, but not now. Really sad story XP support for XI is not planned obviously
  17. Single, check press release and eoc sports page
  18. websmile

    GSkill DDR4/ Ram-pot (ww)

    You can shoot me a pm or hit me on FB if you have questions, this is my last A2 PCB-layout kit I own
  19. websmile

    WTB DEAD mobos and gpus, and cpus. USA

    If you are searching for dead hardware, there are no better places than hwbot and ebay - big difference though is that on ebay they sell it as working in mint condition at 10x higher price
  20. websmile

    GSkill DDR4/ Ram-pot (ww)

    Bump, prices partially reduced
  21. websmile

    Looking for Elpida Hypers

    On older platforms you can still use spd tool which works very reliable
  22. websmile

    GSkill DDR4/ Ram-pot (ww)

    #1 sold, payment received and will be shipped tomorrow. Thanks George, have fun with this awesome kit
  23. websmile

    GSkill DDR4/ Ram-pot (ww)

    Thanks, I added a couple of screenshots
  24. websmile

    [FS] 980 Ti KPE, GTX 260 LG, G.Skill DDR4, Corsair DDR3

    What will you do now that you are rich? 🤔