Benji Tshi

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Chipsy > yep, it's what in was meaning. Dinos > everything is stolen

Thanks. I will try to improve my 01 with 285, i will be able to help you for your next bench party in US in a few weeks !

what's up ?

I hope yes The only thing we will probably miss is time...But no doubt we will enjoy it as we have funny hw to clock :D

Hi, Next week, i'll have a little bench party 1-2 days with my friends Jmax_oc and Casimir37. We will have a lot of hardware, but we won't share of course. But as we had some issues last time we did such a bench party, i would like to know what we have to do to prevent this sharing suspicion. It's a general question as we have a lot of these bench parties in fact, for example, i'll have another one in 2 weeks and again in 3 weeks... I'll update when our own thread will be created with the hardware listing. Thank you EDIT : here is our own thread : http://www.jmax-hardware.com/forum/index.php/topic,4537.0.html And a listing of the hardware we will have : Here is pics of our hardware. Benji :

Yep, i have understand it. So subtests details are mandatory right ? Because they are useful if there is suspicion of cheating. There is no cheating, si they are not really necessary for our results. But as it's mandatory, we should have it before unblock the results ?

jmke > i don't want to accuse anyone, i just want to underline that it's possible that there is some errors in the bot. So, because of your huge lack of time, you only check highscores and reported scores (and i guess a few other results). For higher scores, it's allright. But for reported scores, there is two sort of report. First is what i would call 'fair report' as the result seems suspicious (as ours), and the second on would be 'grudge report'. We all have ennemies i guess. So if someone don't like me, he can report one of my score (just for 'pleasure') and i could be blocked (in fact i won't because i will give you all the proofs you need, but it's an example). It's a little bit scary from my point of view...I never told you to find a better way to moderate as it's probably hard enough, but it's quite frightening.

I have read everything carefuly i think. If i'm right, you don't really nead subtests. But when there is a suspicion on a result, you need these subtests to check somethings. It's ok for me. So you agree that the only thing which can change, considering two different scores (one moderated and not the second) is that you have take the time to check is everything is ok on the first and not on the second. I perfectly understand tht you have not enough time to control all the results on hwbot as there is about 400 a day and you're not so much mods. But you also have to understand that there is a little part of luck in your moderation. i mean if someone report a score, it can be blocked, but if nobody report it, even if the score must be locked, nothing happened. As hazard/luck is everything but justice, you have to admit that your system failed. In fact, our scores were considered suspicious because of sharing issues. No problem on it cause we should give you some proofs. But if the results have been submit later or differently, no doubt that there won't be sharing issues. So the decision of blocking/allowing remains to...luck !

Kind of stupid rules but allright. Be ready for moderation now. You don't have enough time to check all the scores which missed subtests results so we're gonna help you to see it

You have explain a lot of things, but you never answer why don't you want to moderate similars results as ours...So your partial, perhaps your team have a lot of results which are concerned by this moderation ? Since you don't give us a reasonnable reason for moderate only our results, it's easier to guess why we think it's a personnal attack.

So you reckon that a subtests details missing is sufficient to block our results but not these results from other people. Is it a personnal attack against us or against some members or are you just living in another world with pink funny hearts and beautiful flowers where people can choose rules and who's supposed to respect these rules. For frenchies > Bienvenue au pays des Bisounours

You're looking for details which can bother me ? Scores were suspicious because of sharing, we proove it was not, you (moderators) believed that there was not, so it's not suspicious !

Results "are not suspicious" or "are not suspicious anymore" is the same thing. So our results are perfectly fair from this point. Don't talk about it anymore. Be sure you'll have a newspost for each bench party we do now. It's about twice a month, at least. So Hwblock (i think i'm gonna call it this way now as results are blocked and then people think about the suspicion) won't suspect us for sharing anymore. As hwblock won't be fair (i mean applying rules to everyone, and also JMH of course) we won't be quiet, and we won't be able to have fun as our best bench party for 2 years was spoil !

jmke > The link to our thread was in my first post : Neoforce > Read us carefully. We understand that our scores are blocked as we don't respect the rules which was established a long time ago. It's not a problem because as you said, there is rules which must be applied. Again, as you said it, we can report scores and moderators will check it. The matter here is that we can't understand why the results won't be blocked if they have the same issues like our ? Moreover, we never suggest to destroy hwbot. At the moment, we prefer solve our problem and continue with hwbot and overclocking. But if hwbot is not fair, we wan't everyone to know this. It's not a destroy as it's only the true. But if we consider your solution is fair (validating our results or not, it's not the problem), we won't do it as we trust hwbot is fair. Our meaning is only to apply rules and be as fair as possible, not to destroy someone or something. We are enjoying hwbot for 2 years, we want to continue of course EDIT : as we won't be able to give you more proofs, our results will remain blocked. So we're gonna try to aplly the rule to every other result which didn't have subtests details. Is it ok for you ?

http://www.jmax-hardware.com/forum/index.php/topic,3821.0.html I gave this link on the first post, and it was in my previous post (after editing, that's why you didn't see it i guess)

Our own thread was created 4 months ago !! Don't considers us as idiots ! No rules explain that it's mandatory to make a newspost before a common bench party. Moreover, i don't like these newspost, but this is my personnal point of view of course, so i wouldn't do it. Overclocking is a hobby, everyone on hwbot do it for fun (i hope). We was happy to do our bench party, it was really funny, and everything goes wrong now because of a stupid rule which was never applied before ! And why reported scores which not respect the rules won't be blocked ? Be sure everyone in France and all over the world will know every little bit of this situation, and hwbot will be known as unfairy/partial/cheaty organism if the right decisions are not taken !

justice and equality is the most important thing on hwbot ! If i'm wrong, why ORB validation are needed ? To be sure there is no cheaters. Anyway, be sure we dislike reporting results (i think we never do it), it's not our business nor our job, but if it's the only way to be listen and heard, we will do it. We are really sorry because we know we are concerned by these reports, as other members which are our friends, but if we have no other choice, it will be done

some are unemployed

That's exactly the point of these last 12 pages, and i think some people can't understand it... Be sure i have a lot of time to spent scanning all hwbot results and report everyone which not follow the rules.

As my english is not so good, i'm not sure that i have understand everything, but be sure that i don't want to be agressive here. You're talking about similar hardware and similar scores ??? What could we say about top40 Vantage hwbot which is only 4870X2/GTX295 with i7 965 ?? What about top40 SPi 1M which is only Rampage Extreme and E8600 ?? We're all using the same hardware because we all know what's needed to score a lot.

Still down for me

In fact, Barbybulle had a 1900XT 256Mb and 0cool had a 1900XT 512Mb. So it's not sharing ! It's true that subtests details are missing, but except this, everything is allright as he's the only guy in our team which have 3870 X2.

I'm not complaining I know it's the rule, and even if i don't agree, i respect it

It's fantastic...especially when you know that ATitool was sufficient some months ago. This rule is stupid (because both Atitool, Rivatuner or GPUz make sense) but it's the rule and you should have apply it I'm sorry but no solution here. It's exactly what we all want to see !