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I see no obvious reason why you did not ask - if you buy stuff without knowing before the contest even started it is not hwbot`s business. Not much more to say about it, it is a three months contest and there is no need to hurry.
Why would someone ask when there wasn't anything that would introduce doubt? I don't see the forum full of people checking if P45 boards and E8xxx series C2Ds are ok for LGA775 pifast. Please can you just add something to the competition page to reflect the actual rules? Since FB-DIMMs are server hardware and I assume no-one mind if someone handicaps themselves with SDR, a simple "no RDRAM" would be perfect and then there would be no chance of anyone else making the same mistake.
I totally understand and support the decision to make it a DDR1-4 stage so that it's not a "who can find an RDRAM board" competition, I just really want to see it communicated properly before someone else buys hardware they can't actually use. Please?
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That's fine.
It's not like it wasn't posted at all.
Obviously I'm not the only one that saw it.
Blame is easier to give than receive.
Are you seriously making the argument that it's unreasonable to expect reading the competition rules and the the page for each stage to give you a complete idea of what's allowed?
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"everything"
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I can't figure you guys out.
Everything says DDR1-DDR4.
Where would you ever get the idea that RDram or FB was ever included, let alone buy it?
Jesus.
Are we looking at the same competition page?
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Any plans to put the restriction to DDR1-4 in the rules for the stage rather than requiring people to delve into a forum thread to find out what is and isn't allowed? I was pretty damn close to buying rdram myself because there's no indication whatsoever on the competition pages that there'd be any problem with it as long as it's 423/478 rather than 603.
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I could maybe make 12th/13th but I'm kinda lukewarm on it so don't schedule it on my account.
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What benchmark? Did you change anything?
There are a few things that can cause a big drop:
-Something running in the background that wasn't there before (antivirus scan, windows updates, having other programs open)
-Graphics card or CPU is warmer and thermal throttles
-Nvidia drivers - at least on the older (500 series) cards I've used - have a weird "safe mode" where after a crash the card runs at lower clocks regardless of what you set, until you reboot
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Well deserved after so long trying to make it work!
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Nice! And I bet your chip, unlike mine, still works afterwards
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Do the LEDs do olive green for better superpi scores?
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I'll be honest, my initial reaction when I heard about this was pretty bad. But it's easy to forget that hwbot isn't made of money, I think it's pretty clear the only way this wildcard contest in the form it's in can even exist is with an entry fee. The alternative would be requiring the winner to cover flights+accommodation in order to claim their prize which would probably make it pretty unattractive to anyone not european.
I reckon the main reason people have reacted badly is that whereas for the other events you're buying an LN2 supply and live OCTV tickets, if you don't place in this competition you've got precisely nothing for your €50. In the future it might be sensible to try and make sure every entrant gets something for their entry fee - an extreme example might be to source hardware that's in some way special (eg oc vbios from a gpu manufacturer, ln2 prebinned from caseking, EVC from elmor) and have a much higher entry fee but one which buys you some of the hardware as well. Or just make everyone exclusive t-shirts
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Isn;t time spy still a paid upgrade?
You can run it without paying but you have to submit online to get a score and you can't skip the demo.
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Good god. Massively well done!
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For Hwbot Prime, one of the key tweak is to try differents JRE (Java engine).
Beta Java 9 JRE are much more powerful.
Not sure if that applies to old hardware like semprons and phenoms though?
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Lol. Think there's an outside chance you have a bugged score.
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Didn't it originally say HD 6000 and 5000? If anything Terascale 2 only rather than 2+3 is the (unintended) change after 2-ish months
The 69xx cards weren't originally excluded. -
I've posted some hints and tips for the current AMD Rookie Rumble on /r/overclocking, so I figure it's only fair I should share them here as well. Keep in mind I'm still pretty new at this so this definitely won't be a comprehensive list of tweaks, rather some general pointers for anyone considering entering, and maybe even some Intel users considering buying AMD kit to diversify their benching
PiFast
Pifast is a singlethreaded benchmark so core count doesn't really matter beyond 2 cores. The FX series seem to do the best but Phenoms are pretty strongly competitive. Works on 7 but runs best on Windows XP and benefits from well-tuned ram with nice tight latency timings.
Cinebench R11.5
Scores are divided per core, so although CB11.5 scales extremely well with cores the per-core performance on a Phenom II chip is as good if not better as an FX - for example a Phenom 965 BE at 4GHz beats an FX-8350 at 5GHz in per core score. Your best bet is a Phenom II X4 or even X2. Good memory bandwidth also helps.
HWBOT Prime
Scores are divided per core. Prime is multithreaded but not very well, so the best option by a country mile is a (single-core) Sempron 140 or 145. These can score 1200+ easily which is a better per core score than the just over 8200 an FX-8350 at 7.6GHz on liquid nitrogen gets. The gap between XP and 7 is pretty close so I'd actually say try it on both because I'm not sure what gives the best score on 64-bit hardware. Set javaw.exe to the highest possible priority in task manager for a better score, it may also benefit from being run twice but with the most recent java versions the first score will be the best you get so don't neglect to save it.
The cheapest/simplest setup that can put in a strong showing is a cheapish AM3 or AM3+ board with a Phenom X2. In fact given the current level of participation you'd have a decent chance of winning with such a setup, although a sempron is definitely an advantage for hwbot prime.
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You finally got that validation done, huh? Grats
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These are interesting ideas for overclocking as an esport, but for me personally if I had to pick between OC-esports and the more relaxed side of hwbot (chasing cups, chasing acheivements, and chasing 2 hardware points) I'd pick the latter.
Now, with that said, the stuff being described sounds like it'd be really good for creating a more 'exciting' form of overclocking, raising the profile and helping to get people involved.
Maybe the thing to do is have separate rankings, like hardware masters, for anything that comes of this suggestion rather than upending hwbot as it stands?
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I'm just gonna skip all the stuff that re-iterates the current system as an argument for its persistence.
I'm VERY ok with adding GPU classes but to try to undermine the high-end, regardless of how much it costs... is a total nonsense.I'm not clear what you think is trying to 'undermine' the high end, unless you mean 'make it so people aren't forced to buy it'. I'd definitely rather not see a situation where no-one has a reason to bother benching titans, any more than I want to see a continuation of a situation where no-one has a reason to bother benching 380s.
I would like to see more rules added for a users global ranking. At the moment, I believe its psosible to be league No.1 without any high-end scores, without any GPU contribution.OR....at least have some way of filtering the rankings for 2D masters and 3D masters. (both in league, globally and for Hardware Masters)
I dunno about forcing high-end scores but something making sure people have to be reasonably versatile to do really well would be good to see - maybe top 5 2D, top 5 3D and top 5 either rather than top 15? It is a bit silly when people can hit the top of rookie league just off the back of having a good 6700k.
To re-iterate a point, though... i'm sometimes surprised that people aren't mad about mental Xeon setups taking most of the WR points.... are people ok with it because they already have a path to avoid going up against them?Of course it's stupid. I would say remove all WR points, CPU and GPU alike. It's too much about free win by emptying your pockets, or benching on hw borrowed from your work. But WR points are only accessible to like 1% of the users anyway. So I guess most don't see them as a problem that affects them.I wouldn't want to see WR points gone, it's awesome to see the ridiculously high scores people like Slinky and DJ post and I don't expect them to participate purely for motivational speeches any more than I expect noobs to.
They do make it possible to 'buy' points to a certain extent but it's not something I've noticed in rookie or novice leagues (I'd be surprised if someone was willing to buy a ridiculous multi-titan/xeon setup but not play with sub-zero and go apprentice or extreme) so I don't think it's really a problem for newcomers - and once people have got properly into benching they can start picking up older hardware for good hw points, pick the accessible globals, and generally find ways around it. Probably also helps that not everything scales with cores?There's an idea (probably obvious) ... whatever is decided....trial run in just a couple of benchmarks?That'd be sensible. Hopefully it'd also mean something can definitely be tried without people howling bloody murder over the prospect of any change.
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With all due respect, you've been here what, a month? While I appreciate your enthusiasm, you're wasting your time trying to re-invent the wheel here.
I did kinda wonder how long it'd take for someone to mention that I've only been on hwbot for just over 3 months. My response is simple - I didn't start this thread. If I have a reasoned - I like to think well-reasoned - suggestion to add when it's other people who have been here plenty long enough to be allowed an opinion who think change is needed, then I'm not just gonna sit on it. I also like to think that I'm in a reasonably good position to offer a perspective on what would be good for engagement having been through the entire noob progression from 0.1 points with a radeon 9200 to #1 rookie league very recently.
BTW, don't underestimate the power of the 2 pointers. The #1 team in the world is built on them and old hardware, so don't say it's impossible or not worth it. Worth is what you put into it, not what you have.Keep it fun and affordable to you. You'll enjoy the hobby more.
Don't worry about those stinkin worthless points.
Believe me, I do keep it fun
For me it's cups and achievement hunting - got the achievement for 50 gold cups a couple of days ago, next on the menu is 1000 points contributed to the team. It's also fun to run the odd benchmark that not many others are silly enough to run on that configuration.But there's a big difference between 2 points for reference clock on an Asus IMISR-VM out of an OEM mini pc that cost £10 and 2 points for your $250 graphics card. If someone with a typical gaming pc build comes and posts on /r/overclocking asking for advice on how to do better on hwbot I want to be telling them about the value of a clean OS, tightening ram timings and if/how they can safely get higher clocks - not telling them they need a different GPU or giving them a motivational speech about benching for fun. OC-esports do help and team /r/overclocking did gain a couple of members after I asked on their generic help/'look at my oc' posts if they'd be interested in helping us out with the team cup, but they don't change the fact that the way 3D globals work is rather silly especially next to 2D globals.
And as ever, if points are worthless then who cares if the way 3D globals are categorised changes, right?
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Derp... only have myself to blame. Glad I submitted my intermediate scores, guess I'll have to rebench. On the plus side I've been playing with that ram a bit and at DDR3-2133 it can do CL9 with 1.8V so I fully intend to expect this score. And, y'know, not foul up...
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You dont have this on the top right side?
It used to be available.
That's only for your own submissions for us mere mortals.
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