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    The official HWBOT Team Cup 2014 - SC4: MISC Challenge thread.

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    Posted · Edited by BeepBeep2

    The rules stated before the competition where that 801/805 are not allowed, they can't change mid-competition even if you're technically correct.

    Thanks. ;)

     

    805 is a revised core anyway...

     

    I just find disallowing the 801 to be a little stupid when the 800 AB bin has a clear advantage over the other bins (higher DRAM frequency...). The 801 AB I believe has exactly the same CPU performance.

    The official HWBOT Team Cup 2014 - SC4: MISC Challenge thread.

    in HWBOT Competitions

    Posted · Edited by BeepBeep2

    HWBot Prime says that a Snapdragon 801 belongs to the 800-family, can I join, or is it an error?

    I would also like a clarification on this. The main difference with the 801 seems to be power reduction and higher GPU clock. The cores are the same except for frequency differences, IMHO this is kind of like different hardware steppings for the same model of CPU.

     

    The 800 and 801 both come in 8974-AB bins and I'd like to know if the *801* 8974-AB is allowed. The Snapdragon 800 8974-AB which released late just seems to be an 801 with slightly lower bin GPU and ISP. They were both released at the same time.

     

    I have an Xperia Z2 coming and I'd like to participate.

    Potential resolutions to the issues that the Pro Cup has introduced

    in HWBOT Development: bugs, features and suggestions

    Posted · Edited by BeepBeep2

    Thanks for this thread! I am looking forward to reading the opinions.

     

    For me, I think the top priority should be to find a consensus in the community on how to define a professional overclocking. For those who may have forgotten, the Pro OC League was introduce after a discussion sparked by the community to have a separate league for the people who are not very connected to the industry. It may be interesting to read through that thread again to understand the motivation. Keep in mind that this proposal came in a time where the Gulftown A0 chips were king and the Overclockers League was dominated by industry-level overclockers like AndreYang, NickShih and HiCookie.

     

    We are now 4 years later and the scene has changed a bit. Firstly, it is no longer the case that ES hardware is much better. Certainly it happens that sometimes at launch the ES hardware is better, but that is usually because of sample size rather than inherent quality differences. It is possible to compete with retail today. Secondly, the support is a bit more widespread than it was before. There is more sampling done for overclocking as there is a wider selection of products that target overclockers specifically. Thirdly, there are more sources for buying binned hardware. Fourthly, the level of skill has gone up significantly. There are more people today than ever before who can easily handle CPU+VGA+MEM LN2 cooling.

     

    The question is: what is the difference between someone who competes at a professional level (eg: receives hardware, has access to tools like afterburner or special bioses) and someone who competes without ties to the industry?

     

    In my opinion, any change to the league structures is function of this definition. If (for example) Vivi is considered Pro and should move to a Professional grade league or competition, only then we can consider what is an appropriate structure for the competition. If we consider Mtech or Zzolio (two examples of pro) professional, the appropriate structure might be different. Because we all know that there is a difference between K|npg|n, 8 Pack, Vivi, Mtech or Team.AU in terms of level of support and available resources.

    Take a look at fugger's 4770K...I'm not saying that that is a good example of an ES that beats retails, because there are obviously some great retails, but it is a very good ES.

     

    We've seen all too many times ES steppings crush retails, even AMD Phenom II C0/C1 steppings were very good vs most C2. cdawall's 945 ES was damn impressive and those chips had crazy voltage tolerance. To say that it is possible to compete with retail today is imho a b*****t statement because it's not really clear.

     

    As far as your statements on "sampling done for overclocking", do you mean binning by overclockers, or better retail parts? So many retail parts are total horse s**t...and as far as sources for buying binned hardware, yes. Some guys sell their lucky chips for an arm and a leg.

     

    Level of skill argument doesn't apply, just because you have more products available and more people using them without blowing stuff up IMHO doesn't dictate "skill"...insulating is a relatively standard task and pouring LN2 into GPU / memory pot is not much different than a CPU pot...the guys tweaking memory timings and etc. for 0.2% better efficiency are those that are usually dedicated with skill.

    HWBOT R5 Bugs/Features 2.0 - Report bugs or request new HWBOT features here

    in HWBOT Rev.5

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    * CPU-Z 1.69 moved to this new link, and HWBOT complains that link is not valid. User can manually replace x86.fr with canardpc.com and it will work, actually both domains are on same IP.

    This. I had trouble with my last CPU-Z submission, and it took me quite a few minutes to figure out what to do. I don't think many users will know to change the URL manually, and it will cause more problems since CPU-Z has moved to this new link...

    The official GIGABYTE "Pi Is Returned" Contest thread.

    in HWBOT Competitions

    Posted · Edited by BeepBeep2

    The UD7 is a little tricky like that. I have tested 3 different boards, and they all behave the same. At least with the latest non-UEFI BIOS.

     

    Air: 275 max stable, sometimes doesn't boot, sometimes loses channel

    LN2: 335 max stable, after that freeze or no post

     

    To get to 300HTT+, you need to dial in the memory subtimings manually. Once you figured out a right problem, save it. Also, you will never be able to boot at the top HTT frequencies. My procedure usually is

     

    BOOT 240 -> 275 -> 295 -> 300 (-> 315 (if I want to get close to 330 HTT)

     

    This has worked on all three boards.

     

    Fyi, the UD3 can do 300HTT on air, and 350HTT on LN2. Less layer seems better for signaling ...

    I think this should just be called "Gigabyte syndrome", this issue goes back to 790FX.

    I'm running Rev 1.1 UD5, it would not POST over 272 HT Ref on LN2, around 270+ it kept looping "Updating backup BIOS to latest version..............."

     

    Easytune locked up the machine when I tried to change HT Ref in windows, luckily PSCheck worked to achieve higher frequencies, but I threw any possibility of running SuperPi out the window.

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