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    EVGA EPower Board is out

    in Extreme overclocking

    Posted

    By the way. Has anyone who tested this thing reported on the clock freq gain?

     

    I used too long cables of poor quality so I had damm big vdroop, but I managed to do 1150 MHz GPU 3DMark 11 (the same as on stock crappy VRM - max of card, but with EPOWER I needed a bit more voltage cause of droop) but I in my opinion for strong GPUs like 580 EPOWER should be treated like rescuing GPU plan B (plan A - RMA it :E) rather than mod for MHz gain.

     

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    eVBot & ROG XPander

    in Submission & member moderation

    Posted

    A couple of things:

     

    1) Marketing would've gotten involved sooner or later. They see value in promoting their product with information from this site; without a very good legal team there's no way to stop this. Besides, why wouldn't you allow vendors to show off your achievements to the rest of the world? For most overclocking is just a hobby, so I reckon it's rather cool that a vendor picks up on your achievement and wants to brag with it? Unless you're in this for the money, in which case I'd recommend suing each vendor that uses any of your scores.

     

    2) The Pro OC League was created as per request of the community, not by HWBOT. Link to one of the discussion threads: http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8007.

     

    3) The reason we decided to put the more (obvious) stress on the Pro OC League is exactly what you claim is bad: to get vendors and marketing out of the regular league. What do you think would happen to the Overclockers League if that was the one we put the most stress on? Vendors would figure out that's the league everyone is watching and start figuring out how to get the top guys to use their products and show them off. At least now, there's much less incentive for marketing teams to start actively working the Overclockers League. So, this is supposed to be a good thing.

     

    4) Regarding Afterburner: yes, I don't publish it at HWBOT. I have a personal agreement with MSI, though, it's not part of the HWBOT contract. I'm sorry that I can't force everything to be shared (even though I would want it). Guess I'm just human after all.

     

    5) Interesting you should mention that the pros should leak everything. I've explained the irony of this request in this thread before, but finding modifications and testing them is part of the whole overclocking game. It's part of what a lot of you like to call skill. When all the modifications are shared, people start saying there's no skill in overclocking anymore, but when no modifications are shared, people complain how this world is so unfair and that there are no equal chances. Well, perhaps even more ironic is that a part of the people who first complain about the lack of information regarding the mods, when figuring it out on their own, also won't share the information :).

     

    I wonder how long Shamino and Andre will be able to hold of sharing the information on the 10 hardmods that are apparently requires to run the HD7970 cards. Remember GTX295? It took a LONG time before any of the 'priviledged' (ie: Kingpin, Andre, SF3D, ...) shared information on how to prepare the card. Remember GTX480? There were only a couple of people who had the coldslow bios and it took Hipro5 get angry and share before the others could bench themselves. Years before that, however, Hipro5 also didn't detail how he had modified the Radeon X2900XTX to run over 1300MHz GPU. There are plenty more examples that show that even the great legends don't always share everything. It's been happening long before HWBOT got leagues and it won't stop if we quit the leagues. Just a part of the world we bench in.

     

    1. I agree with that, all legends started OC before they joined vendors, so vendor league wouldn't be good solution.

     

    2. Dividing OC Leagues was a noble idea but all Leagues should be promoted the same by HWBOT, all deserve its place on frontpage in my opinion.

     

    3. I think it's bad cause someone in OC League won't be interesting object for vendor, cause OC League isn't promoted.

     

    4. It's a pity, but you honestly said about situation - I understand it. But beside it HWBOT can start gathering other OC software just like bioses, guides etc.

     

    5. Vmods are vmods, someone good at modding like TiN or hipro can put a lot of work to do crazy vmods - I admire it and I don't say that they HAVE TO SHARE IT (but it's awesome that most of big modifications are publicly explained by them ;) ). I refer to software, sorry but special coldslow bioses, afterburners extreme or any other special software (high voltage, high clocks) etc. aren't skill or hard work, all those softwares are created by vendors and in many cases they are sent only for special overclockers. Is that skill? In my opinion - NO, that's why I would love to see that some big player in OC comunity (like HWBOT) started better policy and collect, politely ask vendors to make it public etc. I hope you catch me.

     

    So summing up, I didn't want to offend anyone, I only describe my suggestions:

     

    1. Don't give more restrictions for leagues.

    2. Promote other leagues the same as PRO or delete leagues.

    3. Start collecting special versions of OC utilities etc, gather public (tested) vmods, maybe prepare guides? I guess there is a lot of people who would help in that. Let's start better atmosphere in OC community.

    eVBot & ROG XPander

    in Submission & member moderation

    Posted

    I don't see in my post heavy words. I guess you misunderstood me. I don't say that HWBOT is bad, I only say that HWBOT is OC dictator cause HWBOT staff decides where give points and when points are given people start benching cause points are now important. That's my opinion and without strong arguments I won't change it.

     

    I don't like points as I wrote in my previous post, it's killing atmosphere in OC community, that's my opinion and I speak it loudly but I also wrote that new revision of HWBOT is good for me (I like fact, that now people start benching 2x GPU, 3x GPU cause I love multigpu), but another restrictions in my opinion aren't good.

    eVBot & ROG XPander

    in Submission & member moderation

    Posted · Edited by Xtreme Addict

    OC Gods? So, wait, people ask us to change rules so it would improve (?) the League at HWBOT and thinking about it is not okay?

     

    This thread made me SIGH ...

     

    My point is that you play and behave as OC GODS. HWBOT now is so popular in OC world, is a marketing game through vendors, in fact is the only ranking and almost all great overclockers are submitting results. HWBOT changed overclocking art and has the biggest influence for benchmarking. Why? You gave Heaven global points... and what? everyone is playing it now etc. One year ago when 3DMark 11 was new and didn't have global points, who cared about benchmarking it? Purposely or not,you are dictators in OC community, it's the fact. I don't say that HWBOT is bad but beside benefits from it I see also a lot of disadvantages.

     

    I totally understand the idea of HWBOT and see how many good things you guys have done for overclockers. The most important for me is the number overclockers, we are in hundreds, not just few enthusiasts like years ago. Everyday we see new scores. Also you are gathering special bioses, try to publish tweaks. But on the other hand you are also too bounded with sponsors. Why Afterburners Extreme Editions aren't published in forums, just like coldslow bioses? Because MSI is HWBOT sponsor... And only special people have access to it. You introduced points and made OC community hostile, cause it's programmed in human nature, that someone wants to be better than other and thanks to points it's very "clear" for the first glance and second thing is that now vendors are also in the race. In my opinion dividing leagues was a mistake, why? The most visible is PRO in the frontpage. If normal leagues were also promoted it would be better, but now vendors only are interested in PRO league. Some voices say create another "Vendor league" but it would be another mistake. People who overclock for vendors like it and are also human beings and most of them were overclocking way before they became vendors employees. If you want to create more friendly atmosphere delete points or play nice role and publish all utilities for extreme oc, guides, mods etc. and so on, despite "sponsorship", it would create more equal chances. As Mafio said, there will always be people who can buy more hw and bin it, binning is only the matter of $ or connections, only one factor will do - if someone can buy 100x 2600K or 100x 3960X retails, he doesn't need vendors help, only some tools for extreme OC. And now I ask you guys, if someone bin for their earned money is good? and when someone bin hw because he has connections is bad? Remember, if you have $ you can buy everything, ES samples, Xpander and so on.

     

    Introducing another restrictions will be more and more playing OC GOD role. Leave hwbot system just like now, it's tolerable or do something for hostility in OC community and delete all points.

     

     

     

    it's unfair that someone could buy 4 ferrari when i can only buy one...

    we must do a rule stating that none could have something better than what i have...

     

    sorry but in the last months i benched only AMD cause i hate SB and SB-E crap.

    i spent the past 2 days clocking at LN2 a bulldozer CPU, 2 days of work plus another bunch of hours of pretesting and i get something like 5 points.

    but i'm not here bitching (yes, you guys are doing anything but bitching and moaning) because a huge load of noobs with an air cooled 2600k and a DU OS are getting way more points than what i get for my 2 days with the CPU at -190°.

    this is because i bench for fun, i really don't give a crap about points.

     

    i have to agree with Xtreme Addict, points are killing overclocking......

     

    that's my point, those OC points are killing OC for various hardware

     

    "Benching 1x and 4x GPU are two very different things."

    But benching SAME benchmark is only one thing....

    If you got points to Vantage (exemple)....you just got your Vantage points....

    This will turn more equal chances to all (this I AM SURE)....

     

    I liked the way before - 1x global points per benchmark, and WR for 4x GPU actions, but than 2x GPU or 3x GPU was simply DEAD, now new model develops 2x and 3x benching. All things have positives and negatives. I would leave it just like it's now.

    Coldslow and Coldbug VGA BIOS collection

    in General overclocking

    Posted

    I guess those cards have CB issues the same as 6970. Some cards worked at full pot and some crashed -5 or -20*C. Depends on sample. I had to handpick 4x GPU from 12 pieces for 4x 6970 @ LN2, handpicking only gpus in order to run cold, not MHz. What's more, most 5870 didn't have CB but I had some samples which worked only up to -100*C.

    eVBot & ROG XPander

    in Submission & member moderation

    Posted

    Referring to topic title:

     

    Evbot is/was retail, I have even invoice for it, bought it in Poland.

     

    Epower WILL BE RELEASED SOON and for sure it will be available in EVGA store in US, hope it will be also available in EU, cause I love my ES and want to buy more of it ;)

     

    Asus Xpander - retail availability was a joke, I agree, I was looking for it in Poland and couldn't find it, asked Asus Poland to organise samples - they ordered and gave me 2x pieces (one is dead by now), but we can be happy that those times are over. Now AM3+ and X79 supports 4-Way without this crap (which was really hard for benching).

     

    And my 2 cents to the whole idea of this conversation:

     

    REMOVE POINTS in HWBOT and it will CURE all the hostile atmosphere in OC community! Once overclocking was an art - now it's the race. Of course there are some positive sides of points - more and more overclockers try to do their best, cause they want to be better than others (points), manufactures think about OC and their products which are dedicated seem to be much better but the pure idea of OC is now dead. OC became a marketing game. More and more people overclock hardware which they don't want even to see and power on like spermons single core, only for points in wprime etc.. now you also have to spent more cash for OC than ever. Stop it by removing all points or leave it. For overclockers who can't stand they are not able to compete with the best because of $ or bad samples - leave OC scene or simply shut up and do your best. I still overclock hardware which I like, I try challenges (like 4-Way @ LN2) because I like it, but I don't really care about points. I have never run Heaven for points - why? cause I think it's one of the most crappy benchmarks (the winner is PCMARK) but I try to overclock serious staff for serious frequencies and strong scores. So now I am 3th in Poland and I am the only one who played with 4-Way on LN2, 4x 6970 @ LN2, I am one man army for 5 to 6 pots (4x GPU, 1x CPU and 1x NB) and I am 3th. The first overclockers in Poland is now Khalam who has never seen LN2 in reality. Love 2600K architecture yeah. Am I complaining? - maybe it's a bit frustrating but I don't care about points, for me OC is an art and entertainment!

     

    TO HWBOT: Leave things like they are now or remove all points in all categories. In my opinion you are not OC GODS to decide for the whole community. Everyone has the same right to publish scores after the launchday - if not, more and more people will go to PRO League and then PRO League will become not PRO League or just the only NORMAL league where we can put results from all categories, ES, new hardware and so on.

    The official HWBOT Country Cup 2011 thread.

    in HWBOT Competitions

    Posted · Edited by Xtreme Addict

    I would like to thank all guys who participated in Country Cup this year. Best honours go to Greece, Indonesia, Belgium, Bulgaria and Russia for their marvellous results. Hope next year more countries will be motivated to participate in this contest. USA, France, Brazil, Mexico, Germany or Sweden are very strong countries in terms of overclocking, only a bit of cooperation is needed :)

     

    Okay, so now officially and personally I am very happy, good to know that all our efforts have given 1st place this year! The most important thing for me is that we could join and bench together despite our "local" differences or competition.

     

    This CC was the most exhausting overclocking in my life, cause there were 7 stages, and some of them made man balding like cursed PCMark7! Oh gosh, it's so boring, nothing happens (almost) during it and it needs stability better than Wprime 1024M or Vantage CPU Tests! It's irrational lol

     

    Wow....Poland on Fire!!!

    * bow *

     

    :) Thx

     

    I guess Poland wasn't kidding when they said they were "far far" away

     

    great job guys:thumbsup:

     

    Who said that? :D Thx

     

    i was kiddin but i guess you have the f5 syndrome :P

     

     

    congrats my polish brothers!

     

    greece taking number2 again? like moa? :P

     

    Greece is really strong this year. In my opinion the most outstanding results came from Hellas guys :)

     

     

    Congratulations to Poland! :celebration:

     

    Very respectable entries from the other countries too. Indonasia are PCMark7 masters. :ws:

     

    Thank you :) Indonesia killed us all in PCMark or PCMark killed us, I am not able to choose right option lol

     

     

    Congratz all !! Well done !! This was fun, now spill the beans with that darn pcmark7 benchmark lol

     

    I HATE IT, already wiped off my HDD :P

     

    Happy New Year all !! See ya in 2012

     

    Thanks to the boys from Tones Webshop for the support !! You guys rule !!!

     

    :celebration:tones.jpg :celebration:

     

    Can you plz pickup the 12000 euro hardware material at my place plz... soon...

     

    Happy new year :) I guess I will take some break of OC... maybe up to 9.01.2012 ;)

     

     

     

    no kidding lol

     

    but really guys it was a blast this year, congratulations to Poland, Greece and Indonesia you guys killed it.

     

    Country Cup almost killed us :D

     

    PCMark07 sucks :)

    Happy New Year ;)

     

    You are right Tom :)

     

     

    Good Job Poland :D

     

    Happy New Year!

     

    The same to you :D

     

     

    It's done at last :D :D

     

    Congrats to the winner Poland :celebration:, the runner-up Greece :celebration:

    and all other countries who have participated , you all did very well :ws:

     

     

    @ leeghoofd :

     

    We got lucky at the PCMark 7 stage : figured out the Virtu tweak by coincidence(my friend MaVeRCK tried to run PCM7 at his h67 igp setup and the video transcode boosted up fiercely),

     

    The point is, use Z68 system with Virtu custom profile for 2 executive file in transcoding test. (MFPlayback and something with XCode, i don't remember clearly)

     

    And the other tweak was :

    - RAM Caching using FancyCache software : I Guess the Canadians figured this out very early in the game. Using this software, even single SSD setup can get very high storage setup.

     

    - Using Win8 + Core Parking Disable : boosted up transcode , we learn this from the Greeks ;)

     

    - IE Appearance tweaks : small font, no show pics/animation/sound, etc. Boosted up quite a bit. (Dunno what Team Greece done with their early setup with 90p/s, which gave me headache for 48 hours++ x.x )

     

    - Force the Imaging executive file (WIC.exe ?) to be run under 640x480 res and force 256 Color, got a small gain in Image Manipulation.

     

    I think that's all for our tweaks :)

    * at least we didn't waste 3 days++ for nothing :P *

     

    Happy New Year Everyone ! :celebration:

     

    Holy!!! Those tweaks are amazing and I guess we won't ever think about it. just like Virtu - I always thought it's a shit so I avoided it.

     

     

     

    Brilliant PCM7 finds : we had a 200 webpage trick, but far from legal to be applied... so we skipped it... w ehad ram cache on win7, but our programs didn't work for Win8. Huge storage raid controller 8 SSDs, but this benchmark scales with jack shit... besides raw cpu power and software tricks :P It's totally anti hardware overclocking minded lol.

     

    We had an idea about virtu ! But we wanted to finish this nite with a 19K run on FX for the boys of Tones webshop.

     

     

    So we are still benching right now...

     

    Congratz again to all, I had a blast, hopefully so did you !

     

    Those tweaks are amazing, good for my favourite ROG board 1156 - Maximus Gene-Z :D

     

    Congrats everyone, great deal of fun and can't wait until next year. Seriously though, no one wondering how the Greeks managed to get 5 different sticks of RAM with the exact same serial number? I'm probably missing something though

     

    Thx :)

     

    Huge congrats to Poland:celebration:

     

    But why was the last stage rewarded with 25 points and the others just 10 or 15? Makes little sense to me... Should've been 15. Would've sucked if a country got a bad score in just that one and lost the top spot because of that alone, even though that team perhaps owned the rest.

     

    Thanks Knut! 4-Way on GTX480/580 is the most hard for LN2 users, 4x GPU = 4^2 more troubles :D So I think that 25 points was quiet fair.

     

     

    Congratulation to everyone :)

     

    Thank you :)

     

    Think the skill of going with 4 LN2 cards requires a bit more points... seems like a tough benchmark/setup to get right... as we see some flawed scores , that could have been far better at the ran speeds...

     

    Pj is cracking 19.2K right now with just 6.75Ghz and 4 X GTX580 cards. So hopefully 20K is possible with a bit more CPU ooomph...

     

    +1

     

    20K done :)

     

     

    Congrats to Poland! :celebration:

     

    Thx XS captain :D

     

     

    2 hours benching 3dmark 11 it's not enough for 4 way sli.

    It is suicide...

    This is not an excuse but is a fact

    Congratulations to Poland

     

    2 hours = lucky strike or failure ;) 4-Way should be checked firstly on stock aircooling (yeah but with Asus 3-port gpu's I hadn't that chance, every GPU should be pretested on LN2 before serious bench, and you have to know your mobo/CPU VERY WELL for this task.

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