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    ES Hardware and its place

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    I see what I did here :D

     

    Maybe this topic came as a result of me commenting under one Dancop's result.

    I just said it is somehow discouraging for people like me seeing those crazy ES results popping up.

    But if it's not ES, then it would be a binned retail.

     

    The only difference might be if all chips are retail you get the illusion that you actually have a chance :D

     

    It's alright for me, I just don't feel motivated anymore to bench my 6320 (which is bad on air), but that's my problem.

     

    It had been discussed a lot in the past and it can't be done as in motorsport or any other live sport.

    In every motorosport there are people who can inspect the actual car if it complies to the rules, while on hwbot/overclocking you can't.

    You can't tell if anyone is sponsored or if it is ES hardware (unless it is obvious like most Intel CPUs in cpuz). You can't have a flawless separation system (as in classes/divisions), because some things can't be regulated.

    That's why it can't be a true e-sport in this format and I don't want it to be anyway.

     

    We often see complains about somebody having advantage - being sponsored, having access to enormous amount of chips to bin from, having a chiller in enthusiast league, living on the North Pole, etc. I mostly complain about money :D.

     

    It's just a hobby for me with my limited free time and resources.

    Most of the time it's just for fun and I'd like to see what is possible with the current-gen CPU.

    I realise that will never be on top, unless (still questionable :D) I spend all my money on hardware and dedicate my time on benching. But it's all fine with me.

     

    I have highlighted the point i am trying to make! Nice post and a great attitude, wish mine was the same, but if it was i'd give up and try something else where i could compete! :D

    ES Hardware and its place

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    Bin a couple trays of retail and tell us :P

     

    I don't see the issue, isn't Elite a different league because of usage of current-gen ES?

    Disabling points in these ES subs would make someone stay in Extreme league if I'm not mistaken.

     

    I keep hearing this "different league" thing in other threads and i dont agree. I like to see it as classes, with the world rankings being THE league.

     

    Again look at car racing, the formula's, F1, formula 3, formula ford etc, if you win a race in F3 you get max points because you are only competing with F3 members, F1 is faster round the same track and they also get max points, each league is individulal and not taken from the whole.

     

    You can be #1 in the novice "league" but the points are all coming from the same pot so in effect we are all competing for the same points, just with different classes within one League.

    ES Hardware and its place

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    The nr of people that receive trays can be counted on one hand at the Bot believe me... It is not all that obvious man, not even for the Elite benchers... This is a general misconception, most of us still pump in a lots of our own money to have fun...

     

    I get that and it does not matter to me if 1 or 1000 people get a tray of cpu's but for me as long as there retail then everyone has the chance of competing. How does any of us know if an ES is different to what we can buy off the shelf?

    ES Hardware and its place

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    For me I see the usage of ES samples as a reward for years of dedication, support to and from the numerous companies... and it lowers the cost :)

     

     

    I totally get this but on the rare times that super special ES samples have an edge over retail then these should be used for showcase only/points disabled.

    Handing over a tray of cpu's to an elite member to bin for use i'm fine with aslong as there retail as that retains hope!

     

    @K404 as far as i'm aware there just not allowed in comps

    ES Hardware and its place

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    Should ES samples be awarded points in the league??

     

    For me personally this is a big NO and here's my reasons why.

     

    I like to try and be competetive within our community league, i have limited funds available so i either have to strike it lucky or buy good and hopefully make the most of what i have, i dont buy 10+ cpu's etc, i buy the one and work with it if its totally dire, sell and buy another, binning kinda but on a miniscule scale! I dont hold anything to those that can throw the cash at our hobby, good luck to them and i wish you all the best.

     

    Think Formula 1 for a minute,

    This season dominated by mercedes, but other teams still had a glimer of hope at getting on the podium, unlikely but it did happen so its doable, great! Now picture mercedes getting an ES package that gaurantees #1, great for the driver untill he stands high on the podium and no one claps. All the other drivers are just looking down at there feet thinking forward to the rest of the season, that glimmer of hope is gone.

     

    *** Dan, this is in no way a personal attack at you, just so happens i used F1 where the germans are at the top!! (Even though most of the car is brittish designed! :D)

     

    So even though i love seeing some of these amazing achievments from the top overclockers i believe ES should be there to showcase but not compete with the rest, otherwise wheres the hope??

    Adjustment Global Points - General Discussion

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    Hasn't this thread gone on long enough now?? Whenever people start having diggs its time to end it! @Massman do you have enough info/ideas to run a poll yet? Lets get voting and lay this to bed and get benching :D

     

    Maybe not a constructive post but a Poll would give an indicator of where the majority want this to go instead of it going round in circles.

     

    My vote, all 3D subs when benched on LN2 should get more points for the difficulty and skill level, should not matter if its a £20 or a £1000 vga, the skill needed is still pretty much the same with more points awarded for using multiple cards(LN2)

    Price check:X48 REX & 5G 2160

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    Thinking of selling my rex as rarely gets used, LET around cpu socket area, power switch faulty but no problem wiring switch to jumper.

    Didn't quite validate 690FSB as water (ice) was warming up.

    Comes with 99% of accs in original box, whats it worth?? GBP

     

    Golden E2160 #1 in all main subs ;) £££???

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