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    Official HWBOT TEAM CUP 2018 Thread

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    Posted · Edited by jpmboy

    15 hours ago, superpatodonaldo said:

    I don't think here someone hate Titan or 7980XE... they can easily make you gain globals and top rankings places.

    In a great cup as team cup the focus is on so many different platforms, great teammates participation and improve oc ability.

    Honestly, not much effort or fun mounting a 7980XE, a Titan, swtich on, appling oc and pressing the button "start benchmark". imho.

    yup, that's about it all it takes for any component, 7980XE, 8700K 7700k, old AMD or anything else - unless you start to hard mod.  ?

    Official HWBOT TEAM CUP 2018 Thread

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    Posted · Edited by jpmboy

    5 hours ago, yosarianilives said:

    You don't attract new members by raising the cost of entry. You do it by having a strong community that they want to be a part of. When I first got active on hwbot it was because of rog comp last year and I happened to have a platform that I could contribute for the r/oc team, which comes from an active community that I was a part of. I tried to do some solo competitions after that comp ended last year and what I found is that solo benching sucks. The only competitions that I have any fun in are the team competitions because of the community and working with my team to find the best hw and how to best take on a given bench. Most importantly I enjoy actually being able to contribute to a team, if the cost of entry was $5k in hw upfront I never would've gotten into this hobby. Ever. If the cost was $150 in hw that's actually fun to oc I wouldn't mind if it was worth "scrap" when I'm done because x299 would also be worth "scrap" when I'm done with it. "Renting" hw to bench is no fun and shouldn't be the requirement to be competive in a competition.

    Making a single stage all out (DDR4 Stage 7) is fine because you can still be competive while absolutely losing that stage, but you shouldn't make it multiple stages that are lost. If someone like jpmboy only has fun benching new stuff that's fine, that's why there's a bunch of varying stages and it's a team comp. You work with your team to fill the stages you don't feel like benching or don't have the hw for so that you can fill all stages. Of course you can't  have all the stages you want (I'd have loved have seen 1155 show up at all in this competition) but perhaps you'll see that the competition is about benching about 2-3 stages and relying on a team for the rest. If you complain about this being a disadvantage for "weaker" teams then maybe you don't understand the point of a team comp. Why do you think team au wins country cup every year when if you do the numbers of golden hw USA should never lose, ever? It's because they're a fucking team and they bench as one. Teams that don't bench as a team won't win team competitions.

    I bench old (OCN Freezer Burn comp) but mostly new stuff on water only - and would rather spend any hard earned money on contemporary gear which can be later used productively or sold, gifted or what ever I choose to do with.  I really just bench the rigs that I'm using daily.

    Oh, Yes.  THIS not free, whether one buys a new $1500-3000 card or fishes thru many hundred of dollars worth of sleeze-bay stuff looking for golden oldies, which costs time - the only thing you can't get more of ?.  And then paying big $ for cryo gear and LN2.  Either way, none of this is cheap.  Not sayin' the DDR4 section should allow 7980XE and TV across the board.

    And I couldn't agree more - with the exception of the more recent Futuremark releases, most 3D benchmarks have little to do with the graphics processor(s).  The funny and sad thing is the hatred towards Titan cards of any generation to the extent of specific exclusion from all competitions except ProOC, even to the exclusion of the OG Maxwell Titan from competitions. 

    All said - we're here for FUN, let's just lighten things up a little, or light them up.  Which ever works for ya.

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    Official HWBOT TEAM CUP 2018 Thread

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    28 minutes ago, ObscureParadox said:

    Cost of buying an old system with  a bunch of CPU's to test = $150

    Cost of buying 1 Titan V = $3K

    It's not really a fair comparison is it really.....

    I'm sure you'll get a lot more out of an old system and learn a lot more too. I would suggest more new users buy older gear to be honest as it gives them a cheaper platform to learn on.

    right - so cost limitation thing, then 7980XE, or any of the $1000+ cpus are in? See my point? It's simply relative.  Old school comp is old school, team cup is old school also?  I've had (too) many old systems... when they were new ;).  (tho I still have an original 128K Mac I bought new in Feb 1984... #336 made)

    We need to attract new enthusiasts, else it's a dead-end strategy.  Not gonna do that with old/obsolete gear - that's not what they buy. Otherwise we go the way of the old ham radio club. jmo.  Anyway, it's all good fun.  Enjoy.

    Official HWBOT TEAM CUP 2018 Thread

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    I'm not sure how barring 4K setups from a single DDR4 stage levels the field... not everyone keeps 10+ year old PC parts/components around and also "attend to" places like HWBOT.  More importantly when the majority of stages involve old/obsolete equipment, how does that attract new users/enthusiasts?  Rather than exclude very-HEDT from all stages to level the field, a few temperature or frequency limited stages would do the same. (yes, I do have some old stuff running 24/7, but that stuff has a day job ) Anyway - no worries Leeg, we all thank you for putting the Team Cup together, and for dealing with... well, us!  :)

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    Official HWBOT TEAM CUP 2018 Thread

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    3 minutes ago, yosarianilives said:

    Any igp with ddr4 is allowed, as long as it has been ruled to be an igpu. Amd or Intel it does not matter. 

    Huh?   Stage 6, iGPU?  5 says AMD, stage 8 = APU/IGP, stage 7 is dual GPU, not limited to AMD or NV as I read it (not iGPU)...and 6 is "silent" on GPU type (brand or integrated). 

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