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    How much you want to pay for HWBOT?

    in HWBOT Rev.4

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    FYI.

     

    HWBOT tries to also involved new projects like the Unigine benchmark. All the time that goes into that kind of project also costs time and money. Even if we manage to get break-even with membership fees, which is highely unlikely, we'd still have no budget to take on other projects.

     

    Well I am not advocating a solely user-base supported revenue stream. I think you should get revenue from the manufactureres too who sponsor contests and use the database as a internal tool. Also get money from the advertisers.

     

    Also perhaps ask the community for a few extra volunteers to police the submissions and deal with reported scores. Even a few extra hands could help relieve the workload and free up massman to pursue better issues. The score moderation could be done completely by knowledgable volunteers I think. Let mass man who is being paid work on other things that volunteers would not have the time to do.

    HWBOT Rev.4 - The Plan.

    in HWBOT Rev.4

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    the international nature of the site might actually be a limiting factor if the sponsoring company puts the site in the basket of the local marketing budget.

     

    HWBot owner -> Belgium -> Benelux budget -> tiny compared to US/UK/DE/TW

    :(

     

    HWBot has year over year +94% more visitors

    +125% more pageviews and +11% more new visitors

     

    at this rate they'll surpass 2 million page views a month easily next year, which should give some good CPM for banner ads from small and big companies

    they could also look into hiring an advertising company to do all advertising for them, thereby splitting the operational half (Massman, RB and others) from the monetary half (advertising)

    making sure one doesn't influence the other.

     

     

    So why not offer customized and targeted marketing to companies based on the users chosen country in their profile. For instance Greece has a large hardware store (I cant remember the exact name) which sometimes sponsors OC events. They could purchase a banner ad that would only be seen by greek users. This way you can sell the same ad space 50 times for different countries/regoins. Or allow the advertiser to choose a specific region. Like Eastern Europe or Western Europe, or Asia. Base the cost on how many ppl they will reach. Thus they can target their specific market, and hwbot can sell more ads, without actually adding more banner space.

    HWBOT Rev.4 - The Plan.

    in HWBOT Rev.4

    Posted · Edited by TheKarmakazi

    Where does this quest for levelling the field end? First it was money (multiple GPU setups less attractive). Now its the size of the teams that come into play. Whats next? Put a max on the time each member can spend to produce results?

     

    ^ This. The playing field will never be level and 100% fair. Thats the way of the world. Any attempt to completely equalize everyone is a idealist fantasy. If you dont have the $$$ to compete at the top, you can grind older hardware.

     

    If this team points rule goes through as is, I will continue to bench and grind. I just will not be posting anything in here about it... In fact, I would lose interest in logging in at all. Your hearts are in the right place in terms of attempting to stop cheating, but your heads are up your asses.

     

    +1 if this revision goes through with only "best" submission per category per team, I will continue benching but you wont find me on hwbot anymore.

     

    Not to sure you would want that to happen ;)

     

    I know the guys at OCA very well. Even though you later post that your comment was not aimed at them, it clearly was. Otherwise why would they not "want that to happen." They spend tons of hard earned dough on this hobby and dont deserve crap from some troll like you. I really admired the ethical path you took regarding samples and not competing with them, but I just lost my respect for you from this and your subsequent posts.

     

    Bill, for the love of all things overclocking please stop hyping up whatever dirt you have and just spill it. First you claim you were waiting on hosting. Did you know Blogger and Wordpress offer free hosting? I just spent 30 seconds registering http://benchzowner.blogspot.com/ for you and another 10 minutes populating it with creative content I feel is similar to what you'll be posting. Feel free to contact me for the login credentials.

     

    This is hilarious, thanx for giving this depressing discussion a little brevity.

     

    Can you add an extra feature that allows us to download all our screen shots and images to make the transition to a new benching site easier?

     

    If their was another benching site, maybe hwbot would take the opinion of the community more seriously...

     

    Would you really like to pay for the use of this site? If that is the case, we should consider that as a one option.

     

    The idea have been opposite from the beginning. Users should not be the ones who pay the costs of running this site. And there is 26 000 + users and maybe 1000 would pay and rest would not. People like it, when you get it free. No matter what it is..

     

    So..there is a problem but it might not be easy to solve without manufacturers as a sponsors.

     

    I have supported this site with 10 euros per year since I joined. I have no problems paying for a service I use regularly which bring me fun and competition. And Im sure many more people feel the same.

    HWBOT Rev.4 - The Plan.

    in HWBOT Rev.4

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    Duke;71263']So i get kicked in the teeth because i can afford to buy the newest hardware and Joe down the street can't. Thats pretty much whats happening in my eyes. Nothing like getting boned because you can and someone else can't. It's like kiddi baseball. No one wins and no one looses. whats the sense of playing.

     

    I agree not contributing to team points is a huge mistake. It will lower motivation across the board for smaller OC'ers to paricipate.

     

    The world is bigger than EU and USA. South-America has a very strong overclocking community' date=' but hardware is extremely expensive ... I really don't understand why you should be having a higher rank just because you are able to buy high-end stuff.

     

    Regardless of the amount of money it costs to compete, with skill and effort you can always play. GTX480 or HD4670 ...[/quote']

     

    Yeah and right now less expensive hardware is still getting tons of points as it is, based on its popularity. Ppl who cant afford brand new gpu, can buy a 3870 or 8800gtx and get as many points as the new hardware. This argument does not hold water to me. You already stated hwpoint limit increased, so the people who cant afford new stuff are already being given a bonus.

     

    Unfair because not everyone have equal chances of qualifying, only guys from countries with big enough sales (so that local gigabyte office, if it exists, can have profit in making the qualifiers)

     

    Yeah or companies inviting status quo every year and not holding a qualifier to let new faces into the game.

    HWBOT Rev.4 - The Plan.

    in HWBOT Rev.4

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    I see a few decent replies in this thread (most of them consist of "baaaaad" or "you sux" - I don't bother to read those), mostly concerning the teams league. The best way to think of this change is that instead of all team members having to buy one sample of the popular hardware, this concept actually invites people to bench a variety of hardware. So, instead of all going for the 8800GTX, it's inviting people to go for the entire GF8 series: from low-end to high-end.

     

    That the LN2 guys might benefit from this is actually a valid point. We have considered creating the air/water team league as well, but that was quite a bit more complicated. Maybe when we do the actual coding, we'll see it's okay-doable, but not sure. The thing is ... it's already a huge advantage to run LN2; but on the other hand, in the really competitive rankings, it's often not that difficult to grab a bunch of points with just air/water cooled components.

     

    So your going to ignore peoples opinions because they didnt express themselves in a way you prefer? I am officially removing my support for hwbot from this point on. I realize my $10 per year isnt alot but, I cant support this site if the direction your taking it in is like this (and since I wrote "sucks" in my last post I guess you will just ignore it anyways).

     

    I think we should have a vote just like previous times changes to the bot were proposed. Take the will of your community into your decision. If rev4 is implemented, as it stands now, I will be removing myself from the league/hwbot and just OC'ing. The proposed changes to the league give huge unfair advantages to teams who live near each other and screw over the international/spread out teams.

    HWBOT Rev.4 - The Plan.

    in HWBOT Rev.4

    Posted

    wow this rev sucks:( I like the idea of splitting amateur/pro, but the "top score only counts" thing is retarded. Here in the USA, its not like Europe. Team members are separated by thousands of miles and team bench sessions require flying on a plane or 10 hour drives. Massmans post about encouraging team sessions is a nice idea, but its not practical (unless u live in a tiny country like belgium)

     

    Im not even on a team and I think this is an awful idea...

    Hicookie - Core i7 980X @ 7041MHz - 7041 mhz CPU-Z

    in Result Discussions

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    @mrmagoo: you make all sorts of baseless claims and accusations. I mean who made you the overclocking judge and jury. Also AMD is a company thats overclocking for its marketing value, hicookie isnt some intel employee trying to discredit some AMD overclock. I think hwbot should just remove you from the site so we can all be spared your senseless trolling.

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