mickulty
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Do any of the default teams have captains?
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oh for fucks sake yos, no background?
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Screw you and screw your passing windows startup at 8G, you lucky bastard <3
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41 minutes ago, Leeghoofd said:
Maybe Country Cup will be hardware "that gives no valuable points" only... It should be all about the fun part, seems some lost that somehow down the road...
If the GPUPI poll has proved anything it's that you shouldn't worry too much about the complaints of a couple of individuals. I'm all for cheap and cheerful OC of course, but let me tell you everyone in /r/oc is loving the team cup as you've done it. Look at it this way, 32 stages and not a single complaint about the vast majority of them, that's pretty impressive.
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59 minutes ago, havli said:
No, but it is not needed for anything but GPUPI... so waste of time in my book. Also the risk of bricking the MB is always there if something goes wrong.
Fair point, wouldn't want to risk hardware. We should just run at stock.
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Awesome work mat, brilliant how fast you nailed this as well!
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Sorry if this is an annoying question but I just want to be 100% clear before I burn LN2 - so the 280X is fine since it's listed as tahiti?
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To be fair to yos, if Zosma isn't Thuban it's fair to wanna be sure that Grenada is Hawaii before buying a card.
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1 minute ago, _mat_ said:
We don't know what happened in between these BIOS versions and it's quite possible that a patched errata had a huge performance impact on the 64 bit integer and/or double precision performance of Llano. The only way to find out would be to have a deep look inside the calculation to find out what instructions are actually performed and measure them. This could be a great find, so hell yeah .. if anybody sends me the mainboard I would go for it (I have a 3870K btw but no board).
You're in the EU right? Shipping shouldn't be too painful and I have 3 other team members working on the stage so no issue for the comp, PM me your address and I can send you my UD4H.
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1 minute ago, Leeghoofd said:
No it is not doing the work, that just the thing, it is somehow bugging the output of the GPUPI benchmark, Comon imagine a Llano at 5Ghz doing a WR beating Intel's superiority running at 7ghz, but sucks at any other app like Superpi or other simple 2D stuff... not gonna happen on my watch...
Your 2001 comparison is a benchmark where CPU speed has taken over from the GPU... nothing to do with a bios version that would double the output on identical hardware.... Also it proves the FX was all about sick clockspeeds and crap at anything else.
Now we had special 2D biosses before ( eg rampage extreme) but effie was a few percentages not like this.... This one goes from 2 min 40 to under a minute for the same clockspeeds... now that's an unexpected boost :p Putting these APUs amongst more powerful at anything processors ?
I'll try the initial release bios on the asus tonite and check back...
However no matter the outcome I think the most logic to do is to remove the current super fast scores in this benchmark to maintain the validity, moderability and credibility of the benchmark.
Firstly, I think you should defer to mat's opinion as to whether it's bugging the output. I'll send my UD4H to austria for him to check over it with a fine-tooth comb and replicate himself if I have to. I do however hope this means you agree that if it is for sure doing the work that's different and it's fine.
Secondly, it's not 2m40 to under a minute. It's 2m15 to 1m17. Point of information. Slowest 3570K score, at the stock 4GHz, is 1m05 on the much slower GPUPI 2.3.4.
I agree that it may be worth temporarily removing the good scores, but only on the understanding that it's fully looked into and when - in my opinion it is a when - it's agreed even by the developer that it's not bugging anything, the work is being done and the timing is correct, the scores should 100% be allowed.
Regarding the Intel comparison, Intel CPUs just suck as OpenCL targets. Intel's OpenCL runtime is bad, anyone who benches GPUPI knows this, and AMD's is obviously targeted to AMD chips. You can see this in ryzen's relative gpupi efficiency and fx vs lga2011.
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2 minutes ago, Leeghoofd said:
I will verify tonite, but I thought it was on one of the early biosses. However like I mentioned before, these runs with the old Agesa are in the neighbourhood of the improved 3.3 (looking at the eficiency) and in the league of 4500Mhz Ivy CPUs, that can't be right. imagine running 3.3 on the old Agesa you would be in Kaby lake vicinity ?
The bios is the whole thing man, need to be crystal clear about that. BTW I put up 3.3 results as well: https://imgur.com/a/lUQee6G
If mat says the work is really being done and the timing is really correct, ivy doesn't matter, you can't say this cpu isn't allowed to be faster than that other cpu if it is actually doing the work.
To me this is like calling 3dmark01 on a 1080ti cheated because a score with an LN2 7700K is so much higher than a score with an FX-8350.
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Just now, Mr.Scott said:
If you can't run the hardware on the bench reliably, you can't moderate or give points for the bench. Period.
It's inter-related man. Not my call, but I can see this being a problem already.
Exploit is exploit, no matter how it happens.
It's not an exploit. Stop trolling.
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1 minute ago, Mr.Scott said:
It makes the bench almost un-moderatable. Much the same as UCBench was.
I'd love to hear what mat thinks of that.
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4 hours ago, Leeghoofd said:
Are you using the SDK 2.9.1 too Mickulty or the one from the VGA, which version is that?
Johannes did some testing too and said it is 99.9% related to the AGESA code of the initial GB bios, I tried his OS, SDK drivers and can't replicate it on it the Asus nor the cheap ass MSI board...
Using the one from the 6450 drivers. 2.9.1 would make sense but the best info is probably from the GPUPI detection.
Which exact boards and which exact bios versions are you using? OS and drivers *shouldn't* make a difference if the theory is correct.
5 hours ago, _mat_ said:I saw your stream multiple times and measured your final run too. I know it's realtime. But I was actually talking about the slower runs that mickulty has on other mainboards.
Looks to me like the slower runs are real too. Which brings us to...
12 hours ago, _mat_ said:If the slower runs are really timed correctly then there is only one explanation: It's actually faster.
Regarding the comparison to other available hardware: an early GB FM1 board should be easier to find than three venice A64s or two Vega Ms or three different 9800 variants or three different PCIe 6800 variants or three different HD 2900 variants etc etc - once the scores are externally (to /r/oc) confirmed as well it's hardly unfair to allow them. And besides it's not as if we're keeping this supertweak quiet, anyone can use it and I'm more than happy for my results to be spread far and wide. Also it's really easy to flash bios backwards with Q-flash, no worries about trying to get the right bios on the board unlike with stages that need non-k skylake oc to score well.
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11 hours ago, jpmboy said:
is not the Radeon RX Vega M GH a discrete GPU?
I made this argument to leeg before the competition started - it is on the same package as the CPU, but is connected with PCIe 3.0 x8 (over EMIB rather than the motherboard but still) and exclusively uses its own HBM rather than system memory. The only IGP-like thing about it is the shared power management.
Apparently it's allowed, and we get a lot of people with different hardware on /r/overclocking so we easily found a user willing to bench it competitively. As a result, however hard you OC no-one without Vega M will be able to touch our score for that stage. I think Skull Canyon NUCs start at $700 for the OC locked Vega M GL version (DDR4 SODIMMs sold separately), have fun.
Alternatively since afaik no-one has gone out and bought one for the comp I'd still totally support them being retroactively banned. We have to take advantage, if we don't someone else will, but it's not how I wanna win stages.
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Replicated the efficiency, this is a full stock 3870K with minimal OS tuning kicking the crap out of every other 3870K score on the board
GPUPI_for CPU_100M_01m-18.433s-NOSS.result
System is using an A75-UD4H, 4x1GB SS D9JN sticks, Intel X25-M SSD and HD 6450.
Steps taken to reproduce:
- Place motherboard on OBT
- Install CPU, RAM and GPU
- Connect all cables and peripherals
- Install Windows 7 SP1 (in my case from a disc image that includes .net 4.5)
- Set visual elements to max performance, power plan to max performance, disable UAC (this really shouldn't matter much...)
- Install HD 6450 series GPU drivers (15.7.1 WHQL)
- Download GPUPI 3.2 (NOT legacy version) from https://www.overclockers.at/news/gpupi-international-support-thread
- Run benchmark
There are slower scores out there with a UD4H so I seriously doubt it's related to the board but I have an asrock A55 board I can try if people want, more likely it's the openCL version though. This is my first time running GPUPI on this platform and I didn't do anything I wouldn't have done anyway
so from this first test I'm not sure how other people are so slow.EDIT: For my own satisfaction I threw the asrock board on the bench with the X4 631 and random ram it happened to have in it, hooked up the same OS and... 2m42s. Probably shouldn't have opened that can of worms at nearly 1am, I'll have to look into it tomorrow.
EDIT2: Speedup is on bios versions F2-F4 on the A75-UD4H. F5, which updates AGESA to 1.1.0.3, loses the speedup (1m20s to 2m16s full stock 3870K). I'm not sure what the mechanism behind it is but it's not timer, and I'd hope the work is getting done because if it's not then GPUPI 3.2 is badly broken.
EDIT3: Similar speedups happen on GPUPI 3.0.1 and 3.3.2 legacy. Screenshots in an imgur album because this post is long enough already: https://imgur.com/a/lUQee6G (by the by, what's with the hwinfo regression?)
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Some people are gonna want the VOD;
EDIT: Starts at 1h14m40s roughly. I know some people are wondering if there's a timer bug, check for yourself with a stopwatch.
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From an ebay listing for old CPUs described by the seller as "UNTESTED FOUND IN A BOX", I believe the seller honestly had no idea what they were selling nor how they would test it.
I'm unlikely to ever have a Socket 4 board to try this with, and I'd rather sell it to someone who will at least try it than just sell it to someone who will scrap it for the gold. With that said, I have absolutely no idea if it works and 100% of the value should be considered to be either for scrap or as an art piece. Chip arrived with pins bent, no attempt has been made to repair but for its onward journey it'll be well packaged to avoid any further damage.
Asking price: £5.00 GBP
Postage to UK: £2.85 GBP
Postage to Europe (inc turkey, russia): £4.40 GBP
Postage to most of the rest of the world: £5.50 GBP
Postage to AU and NZ: £6.00 GBP
Postage with tracking/signature can be arranged at extra cost.
Pictures;
I'll leave this up for a week or so, then if there's no interest at all probably dump it on ebay for scrap and likely end up making more money.
EDIT: no longer available (gone to ebay)
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Mods and admins are people too. Maybe it was because acting like a giant dick towards them is as bad as acting like a giant dick towards anyone.
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Just now, Jumper118 said:
All single socket xeon should be allowed in all competitions.
I vote for Xeons!
100% agree with the principle that if you're specifying a socket and core count then the 1p Xeons should be allowed, they're a surprisingly popular retail alternative for gamers so it lets people get into proper competitive benching. Not sure about stuff like higher core count LGA2011, not a fan of situations where the strongest hardware is either locked or rare lol
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Good to have you man <3
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4 hours ago, Bones said:
This is for anyone needing a CPU-Z version that will run with Socket A.
Be sure to scan the file itself before unzipping but I believe it's OK.
Brilliant, thanks - needed this to show SPD for DDR1 frequency on the 4CoreDual-SATA2
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2 hours ago, Leeghoofd said:
nope if it is not a dedicated GPU it is not a dedicated GPU, if your team can manage to get hold of these, than you have the edge...
For the reasons I gave in my message I think it is a dedicated GPU
But alright. The important thing is we're clear, and that it's out in the open now rather than having to deal with an outcry halfway through after spending £720 on locked hardware.
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Just to confirm, does "Only use build in GPU of the processor. No dedicated GPUs allowed." for stage 7 mean Vega M isn't allowed? Sorry if it should be obvious, I just like to be sure (and some team members like to convince themselves it's still unclear...)
[FS][UK] 25/50 DIMM ram trays
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Having a gradual clearout, bought a job lot of these and pretty sure I don't need quite as many as I have. Pictured with a few different sticks to give an idea of how the fit, sticks obviously not included.
TYPE A - 25/50 DIMMS - 7 AVAILABLE
Fits up to 50 DIMMs without HS or 25 with HS. These are the same ones you'll find for £4.10 from china if you search 'memory tray' on ebay.
TYPE B - 25 DIMMS - 1 AVAILABLE
A sturdier tray, fits 25 DIMMs with or without HS. Downside is HS like the geil ones shown here that stick out the edges won't sit all the way down in the tray, lid still sits on them OK but is resting on the DIMMs rather than fully seated. Also an issue with DIMMs that have a big SPD chip right in the top corner. Quite a lot nicer to use though as the lid and slots are a much looser fit.
PRICES AND POSTAGE
£2/tray (either type). £3 postage within UK (RM 2nd class small parcel), I can fit up to 6 Type A or 4 Type A + Type B in one box. International postage probably wouldn't be worth it.
Payment through paypal (goods and services is fine, I'll take the hit on the fees). Also happy to sell for cash if anyone feels like visiting the beautiful historic city of Lancaster.