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I do have .net 4.0 installed not sure what the patch is. I have the submission but when I go to upload it, it aborts itself (pun intended as well). where do I find that patch

is this wrapper a joke? it takes about 30 of having your mouse locked up and then errors on the submission. Was this tested before it was made a requirement to submit? I hate sounding like a turd, but with hardware cooking and adding these latencies is absurd. I like the idea of wrappers and true submissions again, they just need to be a little more "in the background" than this.

the error says "shellExecute returned 31, get last error (): 1155 that is in xp home 32bit with 2-5670's in xfire

submission does work with win7 will have to get back to xp to get a ss of the orror

I am having an issue with sending through the wrapper. I get a shell error. I have tried both single and dual gpu submissions with 5670 ati cards and get the same error.

submissions appear to be done by the same person. "so we are obviously cheating" once again. Wow. I give in and am now cheating once again

I was thinking that I could prove her hardware as well as my own that way. but so be it. can the staff there do a combining of our accounts? if so, please go ahead and make the change. I will be somewhat content with that as a resolution, as it seems the best for the team and is the lesser of evils at this point. I will once again apologize for my teams willingness to stand behind us in this whole ordeal. We are a tight group for the most part. Surely wish it didnt come to this, as it made all parties look like jackholes. One parting piece of advice. I hope that future suspicions be dealt with via pm in more civil tones than of accusations, I think that is what first got my blood going. I think my blood pressure is once again, at least lower than my weight. hehe

is there any kind of unique gpu identifier within a futuremark submission?

I am sure that "justice" (for lack of a better word) has to start somewhere. I am willing to accept a combining of our accounts. And hope that she can still find a reason to want to bench with me. But what will happen when someone else submits scores that are suspicious? Will they be terminated? Or will it fall on deaf ears once again, as Bill found out.

When Bill was going on about cheating, not a thing was done then. To me that is suspicion. Now all of a sudden it is a big deal. I feel that this whole deal stemmed from my original pm to you asking for clarification on the rules. to which it took 3 weeks for a reply (I do understand that every person helping here is busy), in that time I got October here very own 920. Did a cold session on dice with her, yes I did help quite a bit. But they are her runs. We submit one day after you sent your reply, but thought we had already conformed to the rules. Whats funny to me is that within 1-2 hours of her submission, I have a PM stating "So you did it anyway". I feel that over that you have a beef with me personally. As from that time forward there have been 2 more accusations of cheating, without once bringing up "there could be a morality issue here". I do understand that and fully. But just because a few may feel that it is a cheat, does not make it a cheat. That is the reason that I have stood my ground. I asked several times that if there was suspicion to give me a pm, so that I had a chance to defend my name and my teams name. But the accusation kept coming. what I fail to see, is why does it matter if it is October that has a second 920 for our team or if its Joe Six Pack? If it is indeed unique hardware and a different user, it is unique hardware. Once her points are gone, we lose a future bencher. I am sure that even now she is dissapointed enough to not want to waste her time with it anymore. So after all that has transpired. I have a 920 that is quite a bit less capable than what I origianlly had. I have pairs of 4870's, 5770's and 480's that are basically useless to me, as I am not a gamer. and are also not worth what points the could be. So basically I have spent money that basically does no good. Many will say "you are ignorant for spending money of hardware for points anyway", but that is what we do as benchers.

once again, why do either of us have to give up points for runs using unique hardware? Why is it alright to use different named hardware and gain points but not with similar hardware that is indeed different pieces of equipment? If I submit 3d runs to futuremark, does it not have any kind of identifier on the gpu's? and if so would that suffice as proof of different hardware? And if so, what about aquamark, where you basically have to take a screenshot of a screenshot. On that we were blatantly accused of just subbing in a different screenshot without moving the apps to verify. Why not just totally drop aquamark, as anyone can cheat it. Take all boints away from the entire category. I truly would like to come to a senile resolution and move on.

that brings the question of what happens to the runs she has already made? the solution sounds great, but I am not currently working and dont have cash to go buy new hardware for each of our systems, as many do. Not working and going to school eat up a ton of cash.

so why then was there an offer from mods here to combine our accounts? Are yall baiting me again?

personally, I feel that the better solution would have been to pm me stating that there was a morality issue that might be too fine a line to walk. rather than (1)accuse her of using my original 920 for her 2d boints, not correct (2)accuse us of having a single 480 and submitting to 2 accounts, not true and (3)basically tell me that because we are obviously cheating, that we need to kill one of the accounts-you choose or we will. That was how it was put to me. All the while me asking to be pm'ed and any suspected cheats and give me a change to prove ourselves from this side. the accusations first, are what got me on the aggressive side. I do see Massmans dillema. But why are we the only ones getting the mod-mob kicking us in the balls. Then saying that I didnt respond to their pm's, that is an outright fabrication. I did not see Massmans original reply to my pm, as that took 3 weeks for him to reply. but I did respond the next day. Other than that I have been overly prompt with replies. Only to be left hanging, without any reasoning as to why we were being singled out, other than obvious cheats. For anyone that is really interested in our submissions. Look at all both of our more recent aquamark submissions. they all look similar, that is called structure. It most assuredly isnt cheating. I currently have 2 480's, 2 4870's and 2 5770's with one of each set being her benching hardware.

I notice that her boints are officially gone from the team. Can I get one of the mods to step up and add what is unique from her submission my submissions and to my totals? As there was some hardware that I removed scores from for her to bench and recieve those boints legally also, and now have nothing to show for efforts. Would be fine just to add her highest submissions to my hardware scores. And would the mods that be, prefer that I didnt have an account also?

I dont want to stir this anymore than it already is. It got insane in a hurry. but..... the pm that I sent asked if I could use a processor that I wasnt using anymore to let her gain points. The response was only if I removed points I had gained from that processor and then she could use the same one. The response time from my pm to the reply was almost 3 weeks. In that time I got her her own processor, another 920 that is the same stepping but slightly different batch, 3 weeks newer batch for hers. by the time that I had a reply, we had a new processor for her to bench that wasnt hardware sharing. We (October and I, I was coaching her, she is 12 remember. but has been watching me bench for years) put the processor in one of my x58 boards. Mounted the cpu pot and filled with dice, and benched away. I submitted her first set of results, as she had wore out from our could session (several hours of straight benching). Within 2 hours of me submitting her scores, I get a reply- "So you did it anyway!, from Massman himself. No pm asking if this was indeed the same cpu that I had used, which isnt the case. I also asked if there was not some kind of identifier in the cpuz submissions between hers and mine that could identify that they are different cpu's, not sure if that is the case. to this I never got a response at all from anyone at hwbot. Then about 2 weeks later I get email, stating that one of her submissions had been block by hwbot. I pm the mod that blocked said submission. I was told "it is obvious that these 2 scores are the same run and just alt-tabbed in a new AM3 screen". These are the 2 AM3 submissions that are in question in another post in this thread. That to me is being called a cheater. I did the wrong this and went off (usually regret when I do this). As they are indeed 2 different runs and with 2 different cards. But the pm also stated that if she did have her own 480 then all was cool. I pm'ed back stating that I do have 2 cards and have submissions posted with said 2 cards. Reply stated that "I was really just looking out for you as others may start flagging these submissions as they are very similar". I reply that "similar doesnt make something illegal", I also apologized for my rude first response. I have a ton of respect for the mod that I was in pm with. I did regret my response, and cant take that back. But also stated that I cant take her being called a cheater, and if they wanted her gone or the both of us gone to just let me know I would leave and not come back, nor submit anything further from either of us. Then about another 2 weeks go by and I get another pm stating that I need to close one of the 2 accounts. I didnt go off, but did state that I didnt like getting accused of cheating. And that this was the 3rd time we had been accused of it, and that I would never take that very well. Also stated that if there was a thought that we were cheating that a pm to me directly to at least have a say in what we are doing, or to just defend ourselves. Everytime that I have been pm'ed from hwbot, I have promptly replied, The first pm from Massman it did take me a whole day before I seen that he had pm'ed me. Other than that I have been very responsive to pm's and then they just quit coming. Then I get accused of not responding to thier pm's. I know that we are on the grey line. But I feel that what we do is no different than others having a group session, using other members cpu's for 3d runs and posting. I have seen videos of this going on, and no such requesting for thier accounts to be closed. Sure we are in the same household, sure she has used my cpu's for 3d runs. If this is indeed illegal or immoral, let me know via pm and reasoning, or at least make some kind of documentation that it shouldnt go on and we will remove one of the accounts. I feel that all this started as I felt that we were getting accused of cheating. Her not being able to do such runs at 12, and it really set me off. This on my part, started with me thinking that I was defending her. I will do that everytime. And would hope that every father would do the same. I did make a post that I was unhappy with what was going on here, believing that the whole deal was hwbot thinking that we were cheating, using the same gpu's for seperate submissions. I will apologize for the ruckus that is going on now. I am sure that rev4 will address whatever issues there are anyway.

Massman, your response to this makes sense to me. I wish that this would have been stated in PM, as that would have killed alot of hard feelings and effort on my part trying to make it seen that we werent cheating. I just felt like we were outright being accused of cheating, which is not the case. She does have her own hardware, she also does her own benching. I do give her some coaching, but know that many get that. If it takes me combining our accounts to make the staff here happy, I will do that. But before I do I would like you and IMOG to confer and make sure that this is the action that needs to be taken. I would like to publically apologize to Maxi for my aggression during our PM's, but I felt that I was defending our interests and reputation. Please keep me informed on what needs to take place here.

nice find Q. many have been having this issue

I think what gets me is that even if you pay for the software, they are forcing you to go to their website for revenue reasons. I can understand the free version, but give us a break if we have already paid for it. As it stands, I say no to boints for 3d11

massman, I think you are on to something. sadly, someone is always going to bitch about something. The proper move to me is to try and keep the masses from bitching constantly, and let the random few keep up what they do best. And we are being heard, thank God

sadly, all rev 4 does is stop hardware sharing at the team level. hardware can still be shared on an individual level (illegally or so it seems, but bot rules state= cpu's cant be shared for 2d tests and gpu's cant be shared for 3d tests, but apparently cpu's can be shared for 3d tests) and those that are willing to cross colored lines, will share just as it seems now. I not saying that all do it, I really dont care, as it is impossible to stop it without killing what this hobby is all about. the current rev works just fine. I the corporate world wants the MaxClocksViaBinning (their own little league, with no rules or toes to step on) league, then give them that and leave the rest alone. Its the best solution we have at this time.

another possible scare for the bot is that if it was indeed member supported totally, and there was a proposed rev change that the majority of these paying members didnt like, and these members decided to pull their funding= the same end result as it being the manufacturers pulling their support. Sadly, the bot is in a situation where it could be held hostage eithere way. I would think that the user hostage is far better than a manufacturer hostage situation every time. I think the whole rev change is there to separate the pros from the joes. If thats the case separate them and leave the points system the same. The corporates can have what they want, their own playground without rules. and the joes dont have to attempt to compete against them. The last rev change was a nightmare at first and not many seemed to like it, and seem willing to mame and pillage others to keep it now. I am not for the change, as I would like to see new blood to our little world of wonders, but if newbs cant make the cut to score points they wont stick around or even be interested in it as a "fun" hobby. I have no chance of making it to any level of competence within the big picture here, but would much rather be a nobody in a world of somebodies than to be a nobody (even if I were ranked #1 in the joe league) in a nobody league. So I would be thrilled to leave it as it stands.

I see the new rev. killing interest in submitting to hwbot. The teams that purchase lots of hardware now, will still purchase all the hardware and still dominate the 10 points spots available. And in that case, why should anyone submit a score that makes no points. I dont think I will hear anyone say " I didnt score any points but wanted to add to the database". I know it seems that this rev will enhance the bot, but in the end I see it running of 80% of those that currently submit. I think I wouldnt have a reason to submit any scores. In the end it still will only benefit those that have found one of those lovely golden samples that just scream. I am definitely losing interest in submitting. To me the way to make the most happy is to split the Pro's and leave the rest in a large group to fight for the rest.

thanks man. I think I am going to try some ln2 and go for a little more clocks