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    ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z690 APEX | APEX 14

    in Alder Lake (Z690) & Raptor Lake (Z790) OC

    Posted

    Asus released ROG MAXIMUS Z690 APEX BIOS 2305

    Version 2305
    12.75 MB 2023/03/22
    "•Improve system performance and security.
    •Support ME update function
    •Improve AURA SW experience
    •Improve DRAM stability
    “Please back up your Bitlocker recovery key and suspend Bitlocker encryption in the operating system before updating your BIOS or ME firmware.”
    “Intel ME Update Tool is required if your ME firmware Version is not 16.1.25.2020. Please download Intel ME update tool from ASUS support site.”

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    G.Skill World Cup Online Qualifier 2023: 1st of March till April 10th 2023

    in HWBOT Competitions

    Posted

    On 3/20/2023 at 5:40 AM, safedisk said:

    Z690 APEX 2305 BETA BIOS

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fA_G-_r82io8E5iQrTO_52T5yqRAP2wu/view?usp=share_link

    Z690 APEX 2305 BIOS FOR AVX512 Ucode 15

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-KVIyqCPcYwTv1DeGGxdItJJWlSRolcn/view?usp=share_link

    Thanks. Do you need Intel ME Consumer Firmware : 16.1.25.2124 for this beta bios version? Again, thanks sir.

    Mandatory Systeminfo 5.55 Update and new benchmark rules for RTX40 series

    in HWBOT News

    Posted

    8 hours ago, Leeghoofd said:

    We will slowly start removing the newer RTX 4090 scores with ECC disabled, this to ensure user with new subs get a more clearer signal. We have observed some shenanigans again by users bending the rules for their own benefit...

    Our advice is to not bench these cards on LN2 or other extreme "expensive" cooling

    UL is still on it and monitoring...

    Hi. I saw one of you have blocked my 4090 Fire Strike Extreme subs. Reason. ECC disabled run. But I'm quite sure I had it Enabled. I don't even think older Fire strike benchmark offer driver status as ECC disabled/Enabled in their results summary. Or maybe LOD tweaks is one of the culprits (allowed for hwbot) for not show it up. I can't confirm this right now as I have returned the card. Maybe others can test out this with 4090. I mean every single Fire Strike Extreme benches posted on hwbot don't have the results summary with ECC disabled or Enabled in their results. Either it will be showed as Driver version approved or the driver version. Nothing about ECC disabled or Enabled. What to do with results that is valid but you can't show it due Futuremark system info can't show it correct? Will all 3DM Suite Fire Strike (Extreme) results be removed/blocked now even if they are done correct? Thanks

    In short... Newest Futuremark System info 5.55 or newer doesn't matter. Offer nothing about ECC disabled or Enabled info for some benchmarks as etc 3DM Suite Fires strike Extreme or Fire Strike. You either get approved or the driver version instead in the results summary. Nothing more. Correct me if I'm wrong. It will be wrong blocking posted results if this is correct and you haven't done something or anything wrong. Examples below.

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    Edit. Same here from today.... https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/87613114 ------ Newest Futuremark System Info, Newest drivers, software and nothing about ECC info in the results summary https://hwbot.org/submission/5178098_andressergio_3dmark___fire_strike_extreme_geforce_rtx_4090_43526_marks

    I have even seen results from 3Dmark TIME SPY flagged as ECC disabled even if the settings is enabled in NCP. What a fun time we live in. 

    Edit. And what with 4080 results? Not sure ECC enabled/disabled will show up at all for this 4000 series cards. 

     

     

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    ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z690 APEX | APEX 14

    in Alder Lake (Z690) & Raptor Lake (Z790) OC

    Posted · Edited by Papusan

    15 hours ago, bscool said:

    I have seen others on OCN say you cannot flashback to older bioes once on 2301. I would have thought they would have made note of that as all the people that complained when they did the same with bios 2004.

     

    ROG MAXIMUS Z690 APEX BIOS 2004

    Version 2004
    10.8 MB

    "1. Improve system performance
    2. Update ME version to 16.1.25.1885v2
    3. Many ME updates and optimizations for the next-gen CPU are included. This version does NOT allow rolling back to the previous versions, not even via USB BIOS FlashBack™, to ensure better compatibility.

    This is well and good, but Asus avoid for all they can add in an short change log for their beta bios package. And only luck of draw if Asus will do the same for the official bios on their main support download page. And I expect not all major changes will be added anyway. But less is more.. Isn't it?

    This below is with EVGA. Asus... Nothing.

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    sager83 - GeForce RTX 4090 - 100590 marks 3DMark - Wild Life Extreme

    in Result Discussions

    Posted · Edited by Papusan

    New rules is implemented for RTX 40xx cards... https://hwbot.org/rules?referenceId=5392 All benches done with with ECC Enabled will be removed from the bot. 

    Mandatory Systeminfo 5.55 Update and new benchmark rules for RTX40 series

    Edit. More about it here... Giant 3D elephant in the room no one wants to talk about...(why is it always me bringing this stuff to light?)

     

     

     

    Giant 3D elephant in the room no one wants to talk about...(why is it always me bringing this stuff to light?)

    in Submission & member moderation

    Posted · Edited by Papusan

    8 hours ago, AG-TAS said:

    So this ECC is only enforced during the benchmark, and won't interfere with everday/gaming settings?

     

    ECC is disabled as default settings in NCP. Geforce is meant as gaming cards. Not a professional work station card. 

    Edit: https://www.gpumag.com/nvidia-quadro-vs-geforce/

     

    3DMARK - SPEED WAY with ECC enabled... 6% performance penalty. You don't want that in games.

     

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    Giant 3D elephant in the room no one wants to talk about...(why is it always me bringing this stuff to light?)

    in Submission & member moderation

    Posted · Edited by Papusan

    17 minutes ago, Leeghoofd said:

    I'll run some benches on the 3090TI tomorrow, other inputs are welcome

    Also see if latest Systeminfo 5.55 in itself affect scores with or without the ECC enabled. Not unusual that Futuremark screw up own software. This is the common trend for both OS, drivers and software nowadays.

     

    Edit: I looking forward to coming 3DMark suite updates. Be prepared for some surprises (not in a good way)?

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    Giant 3D elephant in the room no one wants to talk about...(why is it always me bringing this stuff to light?)

    in Submission & member moderation

    Posted · Edited by Papusan

    26 minutes ago, Leeghoofd said:

    @Papusan Only 40 series are involved in the ruling, the inflated scores will be pulled by us and UL and will need to be rebenched correctly...

     

    Thanks. And you are sure that the 3090 Ti isn't affected by this? And what with UL. Will none of the posted scores forwards (from anyone) be validated and checked "Valid" on the leaderboard on Futuremark if you don't have ECC checked in NCP? I dont t'alk about the scores that will be put on Hwbot. But on UL(Futuremark) leaderboard.

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    Giant 3D elephant in the room no one wants to talk about...(why is it always me bringing this stuff to light?)

    in Submission & member moderation

    Posted · Edited by Papusan

    6 hours ago, saltycroissant said:

    Id say the most annoying thing was asking UL to delete the 10+ backup bugged score that ppl would have, because after subbing 1 bugged score and having it removed they'll still post their second bugged score. 

    Im on the side of Leeg this issue got worst and more widespread mostly because of some yOutUbEr posting bugged result on stream.

    Hopefully this get sorted out quickly by UL, will save me a lot of email.

     

    7 hours ago, Leeghoofd said:

    Just got this in from UL: 

     

    We have released SystemInfo 5.55 that has detection for ECC status for NVIDIA GPUs. 
     

    When ECC is supported by the card (for GeForce this is 4090 and 4080 and maybe 3090 Ti?) the Graphics card data segment should include info on whether ECC was enabled or not when using this SI, so technically you could now start requiring it and checking the status from our result page. There is a performance penalty of about 4-5% for turning it on, though.
     
    Going to ask community to try to break it before we require it for anything, but now the information is there so we can start investigating whether this is a fix for the issue.
     
    So we are going to require ECC set to enabled from now on

    Does this means all posted scores on the leaderboard for 3090 Ti and newer cards will be removed? 4-6% performance penalty from the new rules will reduce your chance to beat older scores with same or sligtly higher clock speed. Or will only the scores from 4080 and 4090 be deleted/removed?

    Papusan - Core i9 13900K @ 6412MHz - 3min 59sec 219ms SuperPi - 32M

    in Result Discussions

    Posted · Edited by Papusan

    8 hours ago, philip park said:

    this result is not 8core / 8thread 24t

    Super PI is a single threaded benchmark. We disable most of the cores regardless of Cpu core account for this benchmark. As you can see from several leaderboards..  https://hwbot.org/submission/4967162_sergmann_superpi___32m_core_i9_12900ks_3min_35sec_921ms

    Edit: https://hwbot.org/rules?referenceId=5272

    The official BenchMate support thread

    in Benchmark software

    Posted · Edited by Papusan

    18 hours ago, Leeghoofd said:

    well I run a 4K screen and can up each benchmate score flawlessly Mat, all hex keys and co are checked, verified and identical as before the migration. I asked for benchmate datafiles of the troublesome scores from the guy on Discord, I didn't get anything to confirm your ideas ( regarding file size or whatever)

    A cople of days before I got the same 403 error on my desktop. Then run benchnmate on my laptop. Nothing wrong with subbing. Today I run Benchmate once again on my desktop. Got same error. Tried two times to add in my password (I'm sure I put it in correct first time). First time I tried post results I got error, but the next time it passed and I coud post results on the bot. 

    The official BenchMate support thread

    in Benchmark software

    Posted · Edited by Papusan

    7 hours ago, Leeghoofd said:

    I think its your antivirus, no problems here with F-Secure

    I know. Eset flagged it as malware. Also on Virustotal. But it still should be fixed.

    I exclude the download link from Eset scanner and downloaded Benchmate.exe. Then load up the file on Virustotal to see what was detected. Detected as Trojan.Generic.Win32.1667275

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