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    Should HWBot be divided into a two class structure?

    in HWBOT Development: bugs, features and suggestions

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    The problem will arise in the "amateur" class, where gray areas like reviewers that get some freebies might want to be in it, but it wouldn't be fair to people who pay for everything, etc. If everyone will want to be in the pro class, then there's no reason to have one. The reason to make two classes is because people are upset that things aren't "fair".

     

    But these rumours will come asap when a amatuer-class starts. How will you controll it? Only by trust? That's something we allready see doesn't work...

     

    If somebody get only a little support, what would they prefer (not everybody), beeing Top 5 amateur or Top 30 pro? I'm allready through something similar in sports, even for phsychologial/personal reasons it better to be top in a lower class then end of the ranking in a higher league, trust me, have seen this many times...

     

    I think the big thing is what are the manufacturer think about it? Did you guys already talk to them about a "pro" league?What were their initial thought? If they don't want to think about it, I think the debate is closed. And on visibility purpose, will it be better to be seen as # 30 in the pro league, or #1 in amateur, cause I think if the manufacturer agree with 2 league there will be more motivation for the amateur to work his arse off to get up there so he have some visibility, and maybe a chance to move up

     

    At the end manufacturers dont' care if they get enough publicity...;)

    Should HWBot be divided into a two class structure?

    in HWBOT Development: bugs, features and suggestions

    Posted · Edited by stummerwinter

    Massman you don't know who the sponsored people are ?

    Are you kidding us man ?

     

    Considering that sponsored for overclocking differs from getting 1 review sample every now and then, it's quite easy...

     

    Let's see if I can guess some...

     

    HiCookie

    Andre Yang

    Nickshih

    SF3D

    K|ngp|n

    elmor

    hipro5

    kinc

    hiwa

    stummerwinter

    youngpro

    Deanzo

    Vivi ( at least until a few months ago :P )

     

    I didn't read the whole thread, just to step in here...

     

    I'm against splitting up the ranking, because:

     

    - how to control who is pro or not?

    - will there be a group of people to decide this?

    - how much suplier given hardware disqualifies you from non-pro?

    - rumors/accusing will get more non-pro, where people have to prove not getting support

     

    For me personally it would be disaponting competing against the real big ones, I personally get only more or less mainboard support (extra where 2 PSUs, and some VGAs only for testing/selecting). Stuff like ONE CPU (selected one out of five non pretested CPUs) in the last two years and some VGAs, memory where some kind of compensation for hard work on exibitions, and this ist hard work and costs a lot of time in preparation these...

     

    I spent this year thousands of euro out of my own pocket, so for me I would step back to non-pro and give up support from ASUS...

     

    So, from my point of view, don't split, I would not change anything, I think, it would get worse...

     

    I missed one thing...

     

    A lot of people complained about unfair old hwbot-ranking/point system, but now, are there real changes in the top rankings? The only thing I see that much more effort (money + time) is needed to stay in Top10/20 compared to last year...Some are new, some are out of this top...

     

    Missed another thing:

     

    Hiding informations will increase too! Actions like the one from hipro and Kinc will getting less and less because pros will NOT share their informations. I really appreciated the things by both did last days...:celebration:

     

    Third thing missed:

     

    Have a lock back in the last lets say two years...The key is NOT getting hardware support from a manufacturer, the key is having direct access either to INTEL getting selected CPUs or get a lot of them (which way ever) and have luck to select a real good one...Even in bot 2.0 the CPU is still the key (accept 3D03 and maybe 3DV with GT)...

    gulftown ES vs Retail

    in General hardware discussion

    Posted

    Life goes on

     

    You're right on this...:)

     

    There is more then OCing...

     

    But it's getting more and more diaspointing for me atm...

     

    Even if I don't get answers on my mails, don't talk about ocers here...

     

    Just from ES-rules itself, ES belongs to manufacturer, they should not be ranked. It's not only since GT, it's long time ago that...

     

    Only problem I see to proof it, CPU-Z shows ES, GPU-Z doesn't...

     

    @Petri: for you it was 2009, for me it's 2010...;)

    gulftown ES vs Retail

    in General hardware discussion

    Posted

    @Andre, would say: hard work to find the one!

     

    Just jump into here...:)

     

    Shure, had luck with my retail...

     

    Will do more testing next weekend, maybe 3DV (even I don't like it) and some 3D06, let's see, what I can do...

     

    Only problem I face right now, CPU does AM3, PiFast and 3D05 above 6,3 GHz, but can't run 1M at 6,2...:confused:

     

    Allready discuss this on XS...

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