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    MSI GODLIKEOC S2 AMBIENT2D

    in HWBOT Competitions

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    I'm sorry, but what about running 1.85v in hwbot prime. That just isn't right on ambient! 1.76v was far fetched enough!

     

    As a teamleader of team in which is this submit belongs, I know in fact that it was by the books, he just didnt care if he kills it and he was trying to get few more points no matter what happens...

    MSI GODLIKE OC SEASON 2: EXTREME 2D BATTLE DISCUSSION

    in HWBOT Competitions

    Posted

    Ok, I never asked anyone from MSI so I don't know. But next time ask us, you'll be surprised how helpful everyone is, especially considering it's an contest.

     

    I asked you guys and you helped. You, Jamie and Bruno and you guys have my thanks. Thats what I love about this community, that even in competitive times where are thousands of dollars in stake, you are willing to help :) But thats not the point here :)

    MSI GODLIKE OC SEASON 2: EXTREME 2D BATTLE DISCUSSION

    in HWBOT Competitions

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    Thanks MSI for a good contest, but sad it was the last one.

     

    Regarding the help from "inhouse benchers": the vendors want their products to shine of course, so it's natural they help. As long as they help everyone the same it's no problem.

     

     

     

    Except I asked few times and all I got was "We canceled OC program and I dont have time for this" kinda with arogant flavour reply. But who am I ? Just some guy placed115# in ranking, no worries;)

     

     

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    MSI GODLIKE OC SEASON 2: EXTREME 2D BATTLE DISCUSSION

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    Congratz to all winners! ;) Tought fight for everyone :)

     

    I'm just feeling weird about one thing, and it has nothing to do with my place cos I dont have the skill or HW but I dont think that MSI should help competitors in their branded competition. Then I feel its not fair a bit when I read thanks to MSI in house overclocker with saying that without his help it wouldnt be possible to win. Just my 2 0,02$

     

     

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    I'm extreme and I want to have a choice

    in HWBOT Competitions

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    DISCLAIMER: for most people in most regions, it is probably not this easy.

     

    If it was, we'd all be hooked up, sitting on thrones made of hardware.

     

    I'm not sure about that, because from what I've been told, Czech Republic is kinda hard in this. We are small, we don't speak english (most of us), noone gives a shiz about us, there is no top overclocker in our country, frankly I might be only one with decent activity with LN2, the second one is in enthusiast league and those who are overclocking at higher level submits maybe once in two months or half a year, if so. Now compare us with other locations, where I heard that get anything is hard...

     

    It's about people, not place in universe.

    I'm extreme and I want to have a choice

    in HWBOT Competitions

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    First of all, really great feedback @Elkim. I hadn't considered this point of view earlier, but what you write makes total sense. :celebration:

     

     

     

    As usual, Xtreme Addict over-simplifies a complex situation.

     

    Long story short: it's difficult to justify spending heaps on prizes for XOC competitions when the participation is as low as it currently is. The current MSI XOC competition has 10 participants(*) and the top-3 receives a BWD-E CPU+MB+MEM. I've always advocated for XOC competitions, but even for me it's difficult to make a case nowadays as you can imagine. Of course HWBOT will still be organizing competitions for people who enjoy XOC as we've been doing since 2009 :).

     

    XOC is of course not dead, but the huge 'easy' sponsorships and free hardware are gone. For now, at least, as it will come back once XOC gains traction again in the future. XOC has HUGE potential, as this is still the group that pushes the hardware to its limit. That is valuable in any industry, be it hardware, bicycles or audio. Anyone who wants to make something out of XOC will have to change approach to the hobby and prove to potential sponsors that affiliating products and brand with the XOC is good for them. See it as a challenge :).

     

    Also, XOC still is a very easy way to promote your new product releases. It's not a coincidence that all the past CPU launches have had explicit focus on the overclocking capabilities on LN2. Judging from what I hear from inside the industry, I doubt this will change any time soon.

     

    If you want some inspiration, some recent XOC content that did very well:

    and
    . In general, I'd recommend to focus on 1) positive and passionate messaging, 2) reliable and resourceful information, and 3) be transparent about the difference between 'daily' use and 'overclocking' use of hardware.

     

    (*): I know how many samples have been sent out to XOC and it's more than the people participating in the competitions.

     

    Thank you, I'm glad, that my point of view made some attention. I understand what are you writing. I'm myself bit marketing guy, so I know how to promote IT (whole XOC and OC itself).

     

    I know how is the situation about overclocking and samples here, in Czech Republic. Most vendors or their marketing departments don't care much about "just" OC. They do a bit but they need also bit more.

     

    So I took my MOCF and wrote OC-related review without SATA/LAN/FPS metric craps as other reviewers does, and people liked it. Then I showed it to ASUS and they sent me M8I, I wrote same style review and then we agreed that I can keep it in terms of longer cooperation. Then I asked another vendor for hi-end board and they said sure, we will send you the board for some good OC time.

     

    LoL, even local LN2 supplier gave me better price when I ask for it and told them what I'm doing and I promised to mention them on social networks from time to time.

     

    I asked a month ago alot of vendors for their support me in XOC. Only 2 sent me stuff in cost of 900 $ ( +- ). Few replied that they will forward my request to specific department, few said they are short with samples now but they would like me to keep in contact with them (which is possitive) and others didn't even replied.

     

    What I'm trying to say is, that just XOC is still exotic even if overclocking itself is well used tool for all vendors marketing but if we want their support, we just need to do more than submit scores on HWB. Even thought, I was enjoying myself writing those reviews, because I did it my way, and I wrote about OC generally, not ussuall stuff and I feel its part of my hobby/sport (overclocking).

     

    But, you are so right that we, overclockers, we have to do some good promotion job if we want to keep this alive and we might be able to get some more from it if we pull together in the way you're talking about.

     

    But that is kinda OT now. As I mentioned, I jumped to extreme league with not just big investments but also with the feeling that I will not be able to compete as such as I could when I was in enthusiast league and I think its wrong. I was trying to push my buddy, whom is top at enthusiast league and guess why he won't do that. And its kinda sad, because he is spending incredible amount of time, money and effort to be at top.

     

    I just hope that you guys will take this in consider and it will not take months or years to make some reasonable change :)

    I'm extreme and I want to have a choice

    in HWBOT Competitions

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    In Indonesia Extreme Overclocking is growing from what i see, about 2-3 live extreme OC competition a year. But LN2 cost really expensive for my budget. I got about $114 a month and LN2 Price is about $1.5/litre and if i buy i must fill my dewar full (35 litre).

     

     

     

    That's very bad price :/ I pay about 0,25$ for litre. But I guess XOC is hard for everyone in some way.

     

     

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    I'm extreme and I want to have a choice

    in HWBOT Competitions

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    Well why shitstorm? I see 2 possible things, a) hwbot opens ambient to all b) some XOC guys who will be bored will just use fake accounts or put friends or other air/wc users from their city/country just to have some fun/try to win some parts

     

     

     

    OK, that was little bit exaggeration but I was asking for that second option you're talking about and its not allowed. I would hate to see this place become in something where people are breaking rules, that was what I ment :)

     

     

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    I'm extreme and I want to have a choice

    in HWBOT Competitions

    Posted

    XOC is dead. No more online XOC contests (the MSI one is the last one for XOC), no more XOC live contests hosted by HWBOT sponsors. I think time to change rules that everyone can participate in ambient contests cause if that doesn't happen, most of us will just compete for those because of boredom on different accounts, or putting puppets ahead of us (like my younger brother ^^).

     

     

     

    I wonder, what happend that there wont be any XOC competitions? All vendors just decided not to support XOC in this way? Even ASUS?

     

     

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    I'm extreme and I want to have a choice

    in HWBOT Competitions

    Posted

    I feel your pain.

    You are collateral damage. Many are.

    The problem is that the cooling method and temps cannot be verified without dispute during your bench session. It is becoming more of a problem lately.

    Once people see the you have used extreme methods, they think that you'll some how employ that in the lesser cooling comps. Most don't, but there is always the few cheats that will.

    Until temp and cooling method can be positively confirmed, without dispute, the situation may never change.

     

    Thats kinda twisted. So we will have this that way we have because of some people might think? Where is the logic? If I want to cheat, I will find a way how to do it and everybody does.

     

    I don't think that we should accept any kind of extreme league=more chance to cheat thinking.

    I'm extreme and I want to have a choice

    in HWBOT Competitions

    Posted

    Hey guys,

     

    I've been worried with this kinda from the moment I joined HWBOT and fell in love with benching. Please, don't get me wrong, this is NOT one of those "I can't win, nerf this and that" complains.

     

    I just don't understand why apprentice and futher leagues cannot compete in ambient competitions with ambient cooling methods.

     

    I would like to share some of my thoughts. I have started benching on watercooling, I have invested alot of money, time and effort with ambient cooling and even when I made THE step and I have started with liquid nitrogen, I'm using ambient methods also and I am not alone.

     

    This whole thing, benching, overclocking should support people in keep pushing IT harder, it does, but I feel that this system also punish the effort in this way. I started with extreme not a long ago, and yes, its hard for me to compete with pro's and I'm not complaining about that. Why I just cannot freely decide, what cooling method will I use and follow the rules in it?

     

    Yes, there are ambient/extreme comps sometimes, like MSI today and like FORMULA which is only for ambient and nothing for apprentice and futher. I want to compete, why I just cannot join and follow the rules? And I'm not talking about that, that this MSI extreme is the last, there wont be any more, only in ambient, so what I'm just screwed because I decided to push my overclocking?

     

    Another reason why this is wrong is that I know of many people, who would like to start with liquid nitrogen and they just won't because they won't be able to join many competitions in future. Don't we want more people involved in overclocking and extreme overclocking also?

     

    For me, I love XOC and I used to love ambient also, but what is the point now? Also, not everyone even if they are working with LN2 cannot do that everytime they want/need and because of many factors. For some, the LN2 could be expensive (not my case), they don't own dewar or so, for me, there are medical reasons, I just say, if I want to bench XOC, I need other person assistance and I don't get that everytime I need it.

     

    Before someone starts talking about binning reasons, don't give me that, even ambient users buy binned HW.

     

    Again, this is NOT cry thread, I'm just thinking that it would be nice to have OPTION OF FREE CHOICE in competitions and people could decide what way they will go.

     

    Thanks...

    [Overclocking Support Thread] MSI Z170A XPOWER GAMING TE

    in Skylake/Kaby Lake/Coffee Lake (-X) (Z170/Z270/Z370/X299) OC

    Posted

    I followed ASUS guide, when installer starts, I press F6 and F5, I choose MPS Multiprocesor, then load those two drivers as the guide suggest. It reboots after confirm, then I go for part 2 of instalation, it loads the files, then there is just the blinking dash. Tried it in ASMEDIA IDE and AHCI also, same thing everytime.

     

    In OS, when I set 94BCLK+, I'm always getting regular mem BSODs, bumped SA and IO helped a bit but only for 1-2BCLK MHz :(

    [Overclocking Support Thread] MSI Z170A XPOWER GAMING TE

    in Skylake/Kaby Lake/Coffee Lake (-X) (Z170/Z270/Z370/X299) OC

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    Guys, I'm trying instal XP with this guide on XPOWER, no matter what I do, I always get dash blinking at left top corner after step 2 and nothing futher...

     

    I tried so many images, and approachs, even the one from ASUS Z170 thread.

    @pepinorang I saw you mentioned incoming XP instal guide, is there any? thanks

     

    Also, I'm trying to do 4k tight on cold but I get 55 loop no matter what, I tried 90BCLK and increse it from OS to get 4k, but no luck. I'm trying it because I saw many mentions, that its possible on cold, even boot straight with 4k tight

    How to fix the rankings :)

    in HWBOT Development: bugs, features and suggestions

    Posted · Edited by Elkim

    I don't think this is going to work... Let's say there are 15 GPU generations, so in order to bench them all you must own 15+ CPUs and similar amount of boards? That is even less affordable than single 6700k. Also running C2D @ LN2 might be more expensive than for example 6600k @ air, while being slower.

     

     

     

    Good point :/ forget that ;)

     

    yeah welcome to benchmarking^

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    but but...the name brand pro's are not getting them.

     

    then if an asus or msi bencher got one he would have to pay for it himself like some sorry poor old regular bencher.

     

    MSI canceled their OC program in june AFAIK

     

     

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