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Antimony - If you cannot get it running two different CPU's at time, then it is not "that" good, lol But of course, this is quite nice board. MaxxMem score 273.6? Best I got it like 17.1 points... This is quite much faster, very good board. DDR2 rams helped much as well... Mine aren't nowhere near that fast. Almost 5GHz Celeron D Cedar Mill - that is very interesting too. Mosfets come as samples for Vishay, so no money required. And there is also no money to save, so I have to manage this one working. And it looks like that finally I got lucky and the mobo is working well. Only the mode of the operation (and speed) is still slow (PCI), but I try reinstall windows from scratch and we see. Because ATM it looks like that the board is just convinced, that AGP is PCI, lol: PCI settings rooted in system As being better dead, well, I beg to difer. It works now rasonably well Sure, it does have some quirks, like when being off from electricity, then it lose it's bios settings and time (despite I replaced the battery with a new one) and not allowing 1T ram access (no idea why this bios option simply does not work... perhaps bad flash chip or something like that?) and freezing each time when setting in bios the 8 Bank Interleave. Setting 4 works, 8 crash the machine before post... But still a mATX board ride well with 3.4GHz P4 CPU entierly stable and that is w/o almost all the caps that are projected to be there. After all the problems, I still like it. Maybe I manage to find the shortcut (some little tin ball somewhere shorting the time...?) that losing the timings and maybe the bios problems can be cured with new bios chip used? Dunno. But still it is good mobo now

You are right, the mainbard is not particuary worthy of... well, pretty much not worth anything. However I have no other mainboard to play with right now, this one is ATM the best one I do have (the Sapphire PI-A9RX480 lack usable rams and some cooling, before I can pronounce it the new main PC) ... so I trying my best to fix the crashing problem with it, falling back to PCI mode. However at the cursed PCI mode, I did played for 2h 30min... and... no crash. I did not want to claim something, but... it does not crashed and I can even do printscreens! (never been able to do this before for a loooong time) So, maybe this will be a good start. I would like to mention one more thing. The desoldering, the left mosfet (the 1.50V one) gate did crash up, opening the package a bit when desoldering. It might be, that I was too harsh on the poor old Nikos mosfet, but... I do the same with the previous one and the legs stays and nothing cracks. To me it looked like a structural failure... but I could be wrong. Yet if I'm right, then it would explain easily the crashing problem - once heat up, problems become... Let's see, if this will be stable, finally. I got tired and a bit having a headache from all the gaming now, so... Enough for today! Vishay mosfets - yea! 175°C max. working temperature - that is ownage! As the ASrock K8 Combo-Z mobo... whoa, that is fantastic. Two different CPUs? How this does work, lol. Never see anything even closely reassembling this! Congratulations to owning one!

Today is the day! UPS delivered a 10pcs of Vishay SUD50N02-09P-E3 mosfets samples from German Vishay HQ. Hoooray! Therefore I immediatelly went to work. First at all, there is a picture that show the "polymerization" of caps near the AGP on the MSI PM8M3-V mobo: The remaining two non-polymer caps (Nichicon HM & Samxon GC) run at 5V, so there is no good substitute for them, but for the rest, the capacity was bumped (2x 1200 & 2x 2200uF) as well as the specs. The yellow KEMET tantal-polymer 220uF 2.5V cap is also well visible, as replacement for the 10uF 16V SMD suxxka cap However that did not helped, so it is a time to replace the NIKOS P3055LDG mosfets. I picked (for the start), the two, that are most suspicious: the two most close to the AGP slot - the left one delivering the 1.50V and the right one 2.50V to the AGP. (as you remember, lowering the 1.50V voltage from default 1.55V helped considerably with stability, so it is not like I picking up on random mosfets) Sadly, the place is pretty crowded, so I had to pull the caps off first: And as you can see, there are new Vishay SUD50N02-09P-E3 mosfets soldered in! I did not skip on the tin, as you can see, trying to lower every possible mOhms out... And then I soldered back and... tried the mobo. Worked right away, hooray! (with Riva TNT) Then I tried with my R9100 and it also worked well, so I pulled the machine together and now I typing on it, as you can see But first news is bad news. There is no instant "back to AGP mode" in Win. Still it show PCI mode, so I probably have to reinstall the graphic card to get again AGP mode back, as I always had it, before the crash during gaming... So no instant fix. But since it crashed by playing in PCI mode too, then I first try playing, so I can determine the stability. If anyone can cross a finger or two (or even say prayer, tough I cannot believe in anything these days), it might help Mosfets choices: http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=32872

Sadly, that is the end of this. Because the poor little comet get pretty dim now, possibly changed or destroyed (that is IMHO unlikely, because the trajectory is still the same, so if like 80% of the weight is gone, then the trajectory should be changed...)... I hate to say that this is the end, but it probably it. We see what turn out to be left of it later Comet Elenin get even entirly destroyed - Sun strike her with CMI and she exploded, and that was the end... It was even notably bigger that ISON (3,7 to 5,5km), but Sun is powerfull destroyer:

Sadly, no help. Even with such good cooling, that can cool a 3.4GHz P4 to 30°C (!) it still crash in gaming The AGP cap - 10uF 16V, 1.5 to 1.8V on it, depending on bios settings I managed to replace the last remaining capacitor on the MSI PM8M3-V mobo - the 10uF d4 SMD suxxka, that have kinda horrible ESR or 3.2 Ohms: ...with a new SMD tantal-polymer KEMET 220uF 2.5V capacitor T520B227M2R5ATE015 ...with have ESR around 0.015 Ohms That should be a huge improve. Also I, out of the desperation, resoldered a bit the drain tops of there NIKOS mosfets near the AGP slot. And result? ABSOLUTELY NONE! So it looks like that maybe the mainboard was not up to the blame the whole damn time. It is the videocard that have to be recapped... (but as we know now, recap of R9100 did not yield any improvement also) The Radeon R9100 was crashing when new SoF2 level is loading. Given that it run passively cooled on Licon caps: ...with 60 mOhms ESR one should not wonder. Rest of the caps looks quite similar, so recapping is in order. The PNY 6800 GT failed after a short time to run in AGP mode, going down to PCI mode and crashing after some gaming is played. Now that is serious problem, because there are just THERE caps, two of them polymers on the voltage input filter and they are Chemicon polymers. Last one is unknown 100uF SMD cap and that it is for other that ceramic caps! I would be inclined to add some caps in the blank spots too, probably something over 100uF SMD... and I would also like to create a custom effecient heatsink for the mosfets on the card, because they do overheat a lot - GPU VRM temp 71°C: View image: temperatures after 30min So that pretty much leave the mosfet(s) as the last possible source of the problems. The original mosfet(s) that are used for RAM, NB and AGP powering are Nikos P3055LDG: http://products.niko-sem.com/images/product/127605182145127.pdf 25V, 50mOhms, 12A, rise time 6nS, shutoff time 20nS gate charge 15nC, gate treshold 1.2V There is not much replacements, that feature so low total gate charge (Qg), but I managed to find something: Vishay SUD50N02-09P http://www.vishay.com/docs/91323/91323.pdf 20V, 17mOhms at 4.5V, 15A, rise time 10nS, shutoff time 25nS gate charge 10.5nC, gate treshold 0.8V Slightly slower, but good total gate charge as well, as sensitivity - that should do the trick. As the socket caps goes, I was not yet ready to pop the HUGE Thermalright SI-128 SE heatsink to solder new caps into and posibly around - notice the missing SMD ceramic caps over the top of the socket - the CPU. But I do have a 22uF 6.3V ceramic caps ( JMK316AB7226MLHT ) and a nice tantal-polymer 470uF 2.5V Panasonic ( 2R5TPF470M6L ) cap to replace the current one. That will have to wait, because I'm more concerned about the AGP troubles. I recently, around the AGP, exchanged the good Nichicon 1000uF 6.3V electrolyte caps for polymers (except for the two that are for 5V) -2x 2200uF 2.5V and 2x 1200uF 4V used. Still absolutely NO help. Absolutely NO improve. Therefore it cannot be in the graphic card (it fact, it last longer during gaming that with the PNY 6800GT) or in the caps - so the next one in the line are the mosfets.

Looks like that just like the comet Lovejoy in 2011: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh3Wju3qabE ...the comet ISON make it and it is moving far from the Sun and starting to brighten up back again, just like Lovejoy: Lasco C2 ISON ISON made it thru Stereo ISON shoot http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/browse/2013/11/28/ahead/cor2_rdiff/512/ Kolem Slunce si to hnala rychlostí přes 1 milion 300 000 km/h....! http://s21.postimg.org/tjszscbxz/still_counting_for_ISON.png http://www.cometison2013.co.uk/perihelion-and-distance/ ...and soon there will be much better quality images that these almost realtime previews. It will look like this: SOHO ISON C2 last moment Much better, huh?

Well, not to worry! I did not counting on clean skies... but satelites seems to work pretty well: previous gifs: http://s7.uploads.ru/r3GqF.gif http://s30.postimg.org/egarkebe9/SOHO_ISON_dive_in.gif (soon we did not see her ) Lots of nice ISON photos on Bruce Gary site: http://brucegary.net/ISON/ Such as: ISON Nov16 Waldemar Skorupa ISON Nov15 Damien Peach

So, our little ISON comet is diving into the Sun and if it survive the slingshot around it (well, the tidal forces will be enormous and if it survive, then we know that this one is from pretty solid material, not some loose group of rocks and ice or similar weak things), then we shall see a beautifull show, when it will depart to outher space from the Sun Today the ISON enter the SOHO satelite, monitoring Sun (yes, this behing the clone on the arm from top-right to center), view ange: SOHO 1418 ISON diving in2 I quess I did not need to tell, witch one is the ISON, do I...? And it approaching the Sun with amazing speed. Actuall images you can find there: http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/c3/512/ Beautifull animation from the SOHO frames bring us the Suspicious0bservers on YouTube today: ...and even back in 20.11. we seen ISON as little speck (compared to the Earth and Mercury) on images from the Stereo satelite: So, I hope you are excited as I'm to look at the show, that is unfolding right now as we speak

Guys, guys... easy, easy on me, pls. As I stated above, it was mainly attempt to get my AGP working - finally. It failed, but with the 100% good and recapped with very high quality caps R9100 I'm now confident, that the problem must be on the mainboard, with the voltage regulating mosfets. That make sense, because it works, till it heat up and crash. 4h gaming from cold state, about 40min when heated up to the crash. Therefore the main and only one purpose of this recap was the testing of the MSI mainboard and these cursed Nikos mosfets! I recapped the mainboard completely long time ago ( http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=86667 ) and recently around the AGP, I even exchanged the good Nichicon 1000uF 6.3V electrolyte caps for polymers (except for the two that are for 5V) - 2200uF 2.5V and 1200uF 4V. Still absolutely NO help. Absolutely NO improve. Therefore it cannot be in the graphic card (it fact, it last longer during gaming that with the PNY 6800GT) or in the caps - so the next one in the line are the mosfets. That is why no overclock (yet). Antinomy - indeed that suxx. Overclock or die? I know, I know. But there is NO point of overclocking, when your AGP 4x card is running, after the first crash, in PCI mode!!! Then you have NO PERFORMANCE to speak off. It absolutely and completely SUXX. (from my measuring, it give about half the performance it should do, so no 7850 3DMark01 marks, but about 14k it should yield: http://hwbot.org/submission/2455634_trodas_3dmark2001_se_radeon_9100_7855_marks ) ObscureParadox - Yes, but only IF I manage the AGP working on the MSI PM8M3-V board There is nothing worser that PCI mode, believe me. There is absolutely no point of any overclocking, when the hardware is unstable as it is. It cannot reliably provide more watts for the card, because it is stuggling as it is already. Volt mods will be probably unnecassary, as the WR for R9100 is only 13700 3DMark 2001 marks ( http://hwbot.org/submission/833462_qwerty84_3dmark2001_se_radeon_9100_13700_marks ), witch should be easy to reach into AGP mode of operation (if the scaling of speed go as with the 6800GT) with almost no overclocking... Of course the rams are crappy (witch is why Sapphire run them at 200MHz, witch is deviation from the standard 250/250MHz clocks for GPU/RAMs for R9100: http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/index.php?did=1002-514d-- So the card is somewhat disadvantaged from the start. And, even after will work, then it will need a serious CPU and cooling to be able to produce some good scores. Most benches are very CPU driven and P4 is anything but fast. Even if I get 3.8GHz P4, it will not stand a chance against some overclocked C2D CPU's in good boards, that still had the AGP slot on them. If I manage to source such board (even if I have to recap it or slightly repair it), then it will be quite interesting how far the GPU can be pushed. Normal are 250/250MHz, just like the Radeon 8500: ATI Radeon 8500 | techPowerUp GPU Database ...it should be just 250/250MHz... (XT version was 300/300MHz, tough: ATI Radeon 8500 XT | techPowerUp GPU Database ) And surprisingly, look, the same PCB are used on Radeon 8500 cards - just with all the caps!!! ...damn them (but it give me ideas, where to add another caps... but that is probably not worth it, as the A-Data rams are slow and the card is not intended for overclocking, but for stability testing. Of course I would love to overclock it, but the dying mosfets on my mobo will prevent any serious overclocking It would be great, if I can just stick there temperature probes on these mosfets and read the temps, as I play SoF2 game, till the point of crash. That would be proof, that overheating one of these mosfets cause this crashing... possibly saving me the hassle to replace all there? Dunno. I'm, basicaly, out of ideas about what to do more, if this (replacing the AGP mosfets) fail.

A long time ago I get this old card. It was, even back in his day, low end card. But it was capable of running fanless and as backup AGP card it was usefull. And exactly that is the reason, why I ended up recapping the card completely. That is, because of the problems I having with the MSI PM8M3-V mainboard stability in gaming, I need a rock-stable and 100% reliable AGP graphic card. However this card was unlucky from the day one. First it was unlucky, because it got known bad Licon caps. These 470uF 10V suxxkas show good capacity, yet terrible ESR. 60mOhms is way over what is usable: ...not to mention the little 100uF 16V SMD caps having lost chunk of their capacity and ESR starting to pump up to whooping 890mOhms... Therefore it is no surprise, that the card crash during SoF2 gaming. Almost always the game crash when level loading... Also the card was unlucky, because when I decided to upgrade it's cooling with half of the Zalman ZM80A-HP vga heatpipe cooler. But there are no holes near the chip. So I decided to glue it to the chip. And during this the weights slided a bit and the result is, well, not optimal and ughly... So I decided to give the Radeon R9100 much better caps (as you can see already the caps are replaced), completely polymer (and ceramic) ones and add few and bump the capacity a little too: All these caps are Nichicon polymers, that have quite much better specs that the original crap caps. Even the SMD caps are Nichicon polymers now and their capacity was, with the 470uF exception, bumped from 100 to 330uF (220uF in the 6.3V case, as the bottom cap run at 5V, not 3.3V as the rest): That is the bottom cap - look at the shocking number of places, where caps might be! If there is cap everywhere, then the card will be probably designed to take far much powerfull graphic chip that the R9100 is: Near the ram chips I added 4 22uF 6.3V SMD ceramics to four empty places near the ram chips and I also added another two 330uF 4V Nichicon CK caps for better ram stability (having overclocking also in mind): Two of these ceramics are added to the bottom of the card: When the heatsink are screwed in, then the whole fault is revealed and... it did not looks nice at all. But at least it fit into the AGP slot w/o any issues... So, to recap this unknown Radeon R9100 card, you need: Radeon 9100 ----------- 4x 470uF 10V d10 Licon - 1x 1200uF 4V Nichicon F5 (d10x13) RR50G122MDN1 - 3,3V (top one, near coil) - 3x 1000uF 2.5V Nichicon LF (d10x13) PLF0E102MDO1 - under 2.5V 4x 100uF 16V d6.3 SMD - 1x 220uF 6.3V Nichicon PCK0J221MCO1GS - 5V (bottom one) - 3x 330uF 4V Nichicon CK PCK0G331MCO1GS - (3,3V) 1x 470uF 6V d8 SMD (3,3V) - 470uF 6.3V Nichicon HA (d8) SMD RHA0J471MCN1GS 2x 22uF 16V d4 SMD (2,5V) - 22uF 6.3V Murata X5R (1206) JMK316AB7226MLHT - added 2x 330uF 4V Nichicon CK PCK0G331MCO1GS (near rams) - added 4x 22uF 6.3V Murata X5R (1206) JMK316AB7226MLHT (near rams) The result? Well, when I put it into my MSI PM8M3-V mobo, it at first show ram errors (heartbreaking, after so much work and so many polymers and added caps...) on the screen, so I have to pull it off and check. Fortunately, I managed to find the bit of tin, that ended up on one of the bottom ram chips and after cleaning - removed and - hoooray, all works like a charm! Immediatelly the card go into AGP 4x mode (!) and despite being TAD slower that PNY 6800GT, the system feels notably faster. That is, because, PCI mode DO SUXX BADLY. Therefore the card is now used now to test, what is wrong with the mainboard

Beautifull, thanks! Now just the stretching and "sample image" stuff... Do I see it right, that mostly the DDR rams suggesting DDR3 thing is fixed? Looks like that to me...

Oh, yep, this works, thank! Re-entering the OptiPlex GX110 do the trick. Next time I do remember. ...and what about the photo?

Great, thanks! But what about these 5 scores I submited meanwhile? Can they get fixed to be recognized as the Dell OptiPlex GX110 scores? http://hwbot.org/submission/2440532_ http://hwbot.org/submission/2440547_ http://hwbot.org/submission/2440540_ http://hwbot.org/submission/2440536_ http://hwbot.org/submission/2440537_

I surprisingly noticed, that my PC - a Dell OptiPlex GX110 - is not known in HWbot database (there are only the GX140, GX150 and OptiPlex GX1 500S+), hence I requesting this thing to be added: - I supply nice picture of it: -CPU-Z well detect it: http://valid.canardpc.com/w96z66 ...and it run many benchmarks easily 2-2-2-5 rams upgraded, lol (only at 100MHz, tough...)

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Damn, no, that is not it. The SSE seems to be enabled by default after start: And only one thing that is not enabled is the "System Call Extension" (what is this, anyway?) and re-enabling did not solve anything. Still same slow speed. So I read there: http://devforums.amd.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=36&threadid=19897&STARTPAGE=2&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear That maybe a Windows need to be reinstalled to utilize the SSE. Hmmm. Tried that now and same results. Still slow. I got to 226 sec in wPrime 32M, but still a 200MHz slower Athlon with half the L2 cache do it at 182sec... Maybe some of the chipset calls between KT133 and the CPU is up to the blame? Also MaxxMem did not speed up, still 16.4 Marks, while Athlon does 17.1 ...

ObscureParadox - I did not want and different board, and Abit NF7-S is not actually worth that much It is not worth a damn, because it is too old... I was just playing with this mobo. That it is. Antinomy - this SSE thing makes some sense! I would like to see that if the SSE is not used, then still the Barton beat Thunderbird, but maybe disabling it off is not good at all and... Yep! I definitively try this. Now I battling with the Sapphire, but when I got tired of the terrible bios issues with the PI-A9RX480, then I take a look at this and report back...

Turrican - no question that the board is crappy thing Yet when the CPU obviously work, then I have no idea why the results should differ so much. It just feels weird. It is like - when the CPU is unknown, then we better slow the results down I know it is probably not like that, but... it just make me think, if the VIA C3 was not so slow, just because it is "unknown CPU". (not to the present board at the time, tough) Clearly I can only hope that someone can inject the AXP cpu support into the bios to get somewhat more respectable scores with AXP cpu. This is just nuts: Also it is interesting that SuperPi do show a speed up on the AXP, unlike wPrime. Maybe it use other instructions/way to access mainboard? Less dependent on the ram access?

wPrime 1024M Athlon 900MHz: 5867.795 sec Athlon XP 1100MHz: 7321.237 sec

The underclocking bug shown up: http://valid.canardpc.com/evdcpe New CPU-Z beta does finally show the FSB: (but the mobo does not know AXP cpu at all) However at least HWbot use my picture for the MSI 6340 mobo: http://hwbot.org/hardware/motherboard/ms-6340/ ...yet I desoldered the parallel and serial ports, so I have to paste them there from another photo... and also MSI 6340 was not produced with Samxon URL polymer caps. That are, in fact, produced about 8 years after the mainboard...

I wonder, if anyone can explain me this - wPrime 32M test on the very same hardware - a ancient MSI 6340 mobo, same ram settings, same FSB, same everything: except for a CPUs! Athlon 900MHz: 182sec Athlon XP 1100MHz: 228 sec ...now could anyone explain me, how 200MHz slower CPU with half the cache could be 46sec faster?! WTF! http://hwbot.org/submission/2436983_trodas_wprime___32m_athlon_900mhz_%28socket%29_182sec_972ms Barton core suxx so much, compared to Thunderbird A4 core or wPrime have probem with Barton CPU's, killing their score somehow?! ... Similary weird is the MaxxMem score, even there is the difference minimal: Athlon 900MHz: 17.1 Marks Athlon XP 1100MHz: 16.4 Marks Lack of detection from the mainboard cannot (IMHO) answer this, not to mention the slow-down is minimal, not 46sec more on 182sec score...!

Oh, at least it is the image bellow now bigger Thanks! So, who to bug to this get finally fixed?

The board is known to HWbot: http://hwbot.org/hardware/motherboard/pi-a9rx480/ ...yet the current picture is drop-dead-ughly something "sample image" all over it, bleh Please change it to this one: Is not this mobo a beautifull pice of design...? Thanks!

Fantastic, thanks for this nice image! (cannot wait till it won't be stretched)