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Wow, that is neat! It should not be so stretched, but still better that noting And it does show up and nicely, as it is, not deformed. Hooray! Thanks! About MSI Achievements - well, excuse my lame question, but... where I can check how much MSI submisions I did get ranked as MSI ones? There is no counter, when I click on the MSI Achievement (that a bit suxx, when paired together with the "not very precisesely looking" gauges). And thanks for letting me know, how to add a mainboard. I better took a picture of the whole mobo, so it can get the picture too, right? Because the MSI "picture" is too small: ...and enlarge looks ughly, as on the MSI page is obvious. Now... what about mainboards, that their makers did not want to do much with anymore? Like the JetWay V266B mobo? I have two (or even there, I can't recall, lol) of them, both working. I just made a MaxxMEM submision (twice) from one of them And obvisouly HWbot have no idea, that the mobo does exist

Not bad... but the car is there and visible... It does not obey the laws or the internet/http protocol ... cat trubles with LCD

Nevermind I was just pointing out, that the Thermalright SI-128 SE is somewhat nonstandard on the little mobo and actually the cooler if almost bigger that the mainboard itself. When installing, I just grab the heatsink... and the mobo is just like "attached" to it Anyay, it was fun. Off to do some tests

Christian Ney - I think I should choose the "Aircooling", as this hardly constitute the standard cooling: Nah, I was just making fun The cooling is not all that important. Antinomy - Because no funds for anything decent The AGP benching is getting quite bad, ATM. The board run my GFX card in PCI mode, lol: Not cool! I quess it have to be the last not replaced cap on the mobo, but I cannot seems to get the suitable replacement cap: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/10TPE47MAZB/P16230CT-ND/4146673 ...from DigiKey any time soon, because my friend who can order it is kind of slow... So I have to manage and hope, that I can fix that. It started way before the 6800 was put there. It happens with Radeon 9100 too, so it is not the card, but the mainboard. Also the more AGP voltage I throw up, the less stable it is. Default AGP is 1.55V on this mobo, works best with 1.50V and I cannot go lower No setting for that. And exectly THIS voltage is on the last not replaced SMD cap - this hardly could be a coincidence Also the cap is very near the voltage regulator(s) that become quite hot, so it just raised my level of suspecting the culprit. If I'm wrong, then next step will be the voltage regulators near AGP. Eeky NoX - I would have no CPU or rams to stick into it, lol. But it is not looking bad... after all

rsnubje - thanks a lot, that seems to work! 10MHz is too high, still. The rams are usually incapable of operating bellow 60MHz... 30 did not work at all, 40, etc. same... 53 create a funny effects and finally 60, 64MHz seems stable. Gotta check out what ATI tool allow me on GX2 MX 400. RivaTuner completely disallowed any over or downclock on FX5600XT, tough. Kinda weird. PS. there is a problem, that the "test" is working, but when I press the Apply or Ok after it, then the clock get reverted back to much higher values. That kinda suxx. But as long, as this window remain open, the low clocks are applied. It can be very easily tested - just moving a window in front of the RivaTuner window cause the graphic visually cannot be able to redraw the screen fast enought And mind you, that was on relatively high clocks 14/69 ...! I have no plans of running that high Tough it makes me wonder, how much longer I have to wair for 3DMark 2001 SE to draw something on the screen. It was 8 minutes ago, when I press the magical button "Benchmark" and still there is nothing drawn on the screen PS. I have a complaint to made! Even after raising the clock to 16/72 is there nothing being drawn on the screen during the tests, except a white! That suxx! I want to see something... With so much MHz it is ought to drawn something on the screen. Damn card, I have to raise the clock then

Great, thanks! I see my mobo is now recognized: ...but why it does not have a picture? Just like this one? http://hwbot.org/hardware/motherboard/ms_71_04/ You can use the first image from this thread: http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?p=269526 ...because this is the MSI image for this mainboard: http://www.msi.com/product/mb/PM8M3-V.html (I was just merely complain that the caps are different (type&numbers), but that is common marketing practice) Yep, 14 sounds about right. Make it 15 with the morning 3DMark 2001 SE run (new CPU, gained few points despite the inferior PCI problem ) ... But there is slight problem. 14 is more that half of the required twenty, yet the pregress bar does look like 5 or 6 submissions: What is going on? PS. when I want to add some relatively rare mainboards, just like the MSI 6340M: http://www.msi.com/product/mb/MS-6340M.html ....I better contact your first?

Thank you! Now the mainboard is recognized by HWbot: ...thanks to you... and I could have concentrate on getting it's AGP slot back to working state Cooling should be adequate now: Does this classify as standard stock cooling?

Yes, now it seems to be fixed. I hit the prepopulated values from yesterday test and - yes, done! Now it remember my HDD! Hoooray! Thanks

I trying, I trying! I modified ALL my submissions (at least all that is visible, lol) and put there the Caviar Blue as suggested. I just made a new submission with new CPU and quess what! Right, nothing was there. So, I'm a bit skeptical if that will work, but since I type it for the first time there: http://hwbot.org/submission/2433308_trodas_superpi___1m_pentium_4_3.4_ghz_prescott_41sec_297ms ...then we see if when submitting 32M score the bug strikes again.

...and I just got another toy to play, a P4 650 CPU: http://hwbot.org/submission/2433308_trodas_superpi___1m_pentium_4_3.4_ghz_prescott_41sec_297ms So let's hope the fix will be there soon 41.297 is not that bad, lol. Almost as fast, as Opteron 148 at 2.2GHz

Oh, lame me! I can edit these, wow! Thanks a lot! That is great, time to fix my errors... Probably not getting ranked, I don't know. All I care is, that it is NOT visible into the ALL submissions page:

1) me 2) not exactly true, it allow me to go to 40/65 with is far better that anyting else 3) it suxx, because it allow me to go only to 50/135: Pretty much useless. Time for checking out, how I managed the 8MHz for the core some time ago... Snip of the old post: I got score 6 3DMarks 2005 now! Samxon caps rule! Now testing 4Mhz for core... :thumb: Abit BX133-Raid, VIA C3 Nehemiah 66 x 9 Gigabite(?) FX5200 8/50Mhz ( thread about the card used to take this score ) 3DMark 2005 6 3D marks / 8 CPU marks, GPU at 8/50 Result not found (link get invalid as soon, as I post better score )

Aaaah, that explains it. Well, there is already plenty of them and I will get some more tests done todays with "new" P4 650... Twice the L2 cache and 3.4GHz ... Not to mention I already looked out for my nVidia cards - if my old FX5600XT can still go from 234MHz core to 375MHz core (!) ...not kidding, that it w/o any serious mods (except hi-quality caps + better caps used), so... I hope the board get added soon, lol. I should have reported it sooner, true.

So, in the long run, I was just wanted to prove, that I can do it and I can do it better that MSI Also my point was, how much can these review board differ from what one can actually buy (compare first two images). If one look closely, you see that on the "advert" board is 10 pcs of ceramics inside of the LGA 775 socket. And on the sale version, there are just 4 pcs of the ceramics. Seems that these damn people remove everything that they can. Maybe that is why they disabled a LOT of options in the bios, so user cannot seem them, much less tweak them. Maybe overclocking won't work stable, because of all these removed caps...? Besides, there is the last MSI PM8M3-V bios v1.5 and previous v1.4 - original ones and unlocked versions where you see all the options with much more settings: MSI PM8M3-V bioses DepositFiles MSI PM8M3-V bioses.zip | Ulo?.to Well, in the version 1.5 I did not unlocked all the settings for the IGP, because I dubt anyone can use it anyway, so... ...and if when they use it, then this is probably not necessary? (from v1.4 unlocked bios) There are pretty much tons of settings what can be unlocked just using Modbin At first the mobo looked in bios very very cheap, almost no settings, but when I get to the unlocking, then I realized that there are plenty of settings and even enought of sensors... But I did not believe that the mobo can take a 333MHz of ram ram speed - 666MHz of DDR speed! No way in hell: And also I did not believe that the mobo can utilize a DDR2 rams, even the bios claim it: :nana: But now we have even better ceramic caps AND higher capacity & with much better ripple ratings tantalum-polymer caps (the big black "thing" inside of the CPU socket is a SMD tantalum capacitor, 100uF. Now we have 470uF ones

Guay, I wonder, if the MSI Achievements does not work - or if it is my mobo not recognized as MSI mobo?! IN the Achievements I see this: So, that sounds good, is not it? I have a MSI mobo - old MSI PM8M3-V with VIA VIA P4M800 (Pro?) chipset and therefore it will be relatively easy to get this. http://www.msi.com/product/mb/PM8M3-V.html#?div=CPUSupport But wait... how come there is NO progress in this achievement? I already submited some scores - all the LGA 775 scores are made using this mobo and I always entered the mobo into the description, for example: ...but surprisingly, in the results are MSI not mentioned at all?! http://hwbot.org/submission/2432677_trodas_superpi___1m_pentium_4_3.2_ghz_prescott_44sec_78ms Now... WTF is going on? How could I accomplish the MSI Achievement, when my MSI mobo is not recognized at all?! :mad: ...and I pull a pretty good work to make it working well with quality components on this one: http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?p=269526 :nana:

So this obviously cannot stays like that, because the mobo is starting to shown first unstability issues and crash on load, so, there had to be recap. I also wanted badly to give the mobo back the nice polymers, the MSI marketing striped it off... In short, I wanted to trumph out the advert Because even better that Sanyo Oscon polymers exist - and that are Nichicon LE polymers. So I made my list of ideas, how the recap shuld look like: 9x Nichicon LE 820uF 2.5V d8 493-3058-ND 2x Nichicon HZ 3300uF 6.3V d10 UHZ0J332MPM-ND 4x Nichicon HZ 1000uF 16V d8 UHZ1C102MPM6-ND 16x Nichicon HM 1000uF 6.3V d8 UHM0J102MPD-ND 2x Nichicon LE 470uF 6.3V d8 493-3066-ND 1x Taiyo Yuden 47uF 6.3V 587-3406-1-ND However certain things go wrong. The first was, that I managed thru friend to order only the original number of the 1000uF 6.3V caps, 12 of them. I had to improvise and replace the remaining 4 unused before with the Samxon GC caps, witch is similar is quality, tested good caps. At lest I see what caps are new there, lol. However worser was, that the only one d8 caps for 16V was really hi-end elytes Nichicon HZ, but they are out of the stock for months. So, what to do? I had no chance but to press on and thy some improvisation there... And at last I completely forget the little SMD cap behind the AGP slot, witch I indented to replace with ceramic caps, when there is available even 47uF ceramic SMD caps with the little 12210 size! So the main idea was to get the Vcore voltage filtering on hi-quality level, witch I managed easily by using the best polymers ever produced (nothing beat their ripple current rattings): But now what to do with the input caps, that are not stock? In the end I managed to squeeze easily in their places (luckily, there is nothing upclose near them) replacement caps, witch I took from my stash - a Panasonic FM 1000uF 16V d10: Of course I added even the unused one, right after the input coil: Ram's get a quality Nichicon caps too now, so they cannot complain on discrimination changes: What I also did miss is the sad look of six empty places, where a good quality ceramic caps should be, so the Vcore will be stable even in extreme situations: As I mentioned, on the previously unused places I slap the Samxon GC caps: And the NIC controller must be jumping out of joy, because it got the quality Nichicon LE polymers voltage filtering instead of the G-Luxon crap caps - now this is a jump in quality! Over on the CPU socket, there come together two important caps. A Nichicon HZ - the best electrolyte caps ever when come to the ripple current (Samxon GA are par to par with it, but nothing other come even close, not even Rubycon MCZ, yet the Man Yue stoped manufacturing them ) and then the Nichicon LE - best polymer ever made: And at last - overal look on the Vcore regulation - now it look far much better that before! And the result? Well, the CPU and rams and HDD is working perfectly. The Vcore regulators, with the serious heatsinks, are - even that no fan is blowing at them, yet I removed the serial and parallel ports to get them better ventilated - after a day of work, night of stress test and half day of gaming heardly even warm...! That well shown the fact, that quality caps means lesser temperatures of the components. That was just great. And with stock box fan and no case fan...! Now just the AGP cap and some of these ceramics...

MSI show on it's website this image, of a MSI PM8M3-V mainboard: As you can see, the Vcore output is populate with 7 Oscon polymer caps. In reality, however, you get this: A strip down version, from 7 caps to 3 (!)... and that is for the power hungry P4 CPU's! Yes, there are also the two top caps, but they are not polymers and even the another top two up are Vcore connected (3300uF 6.3V)... But the main rip off is the caps type used. They are OST 680uF 4V caps, so not a good caps by any way In short, they show you seven polymers, but deliver there OST crap caps. Is not that irony? To make this post more usefull, the caps list for MSI PM8M3-V goes as follows: 5x 680uF 4V d8 OST RLA (+4 leftovers) 2x 3300uF 6.3V d10 OST RLX 3x 1000uF 16V d8 Panasonic FL (+1 leftover) 12x 1000uF 6.3V d8 OST (+4 leftovers) 2x 470uF 10V d8 G-Luxon 1x 10uF 16V d4 SMD Mine MSI PM8M3-V is PCB v. 1.0. Only there Ost caps on side, FOUR missing! That is stealing by MSI marketing! AGP powering is rather underpowered, not to mention NIKOS mosfets bad rep: Ram's run on Ost caps too, completely: Vcore is supported with big 3300uF Ost caps (and two small Ost caps nearer the socket LGA 775 on top): Near NIC (Realtek RTL8100C) is G-Luxons (!) ... a terrible known bad caps. Unacceptable! The Vcore input have space for 4 caps, just there are used and they are Panasonic FL caps, witch cannot be bought on Digikey and I did not suppose they are even original Panasonic caps... What is worser is, that they are d8 only, while 16V caps are hard to source even with d10, not to mention d8...

Thanks, but this is NOT the unpacked version of the HWbot "edition" of Aquamark3! Aquamark3 from your archive did not seems to be any different from what I already got and works just fine. The problem arise in the 100MB exe file HWBOT AquamarkT-.exe: The MS library update cannot run either: ...but I already have Microsoft Visual libs for 2005 C++ installed. Never the lass, my point is, that the original Aquamark3 run fine on Win 2k SP4. And why update when it run? It is just the modification or install that fail...

Interesting - my 1M submission is not visible, but my 32M submission worked with away! http://hwbot.org/submission/2433162_trodas_superpi___32m_pentium_3_1.0ghz_eb_s370_2h_45min_3sec_230ms ...so, it is fixed, can I resubmit the 1M score? (nothing groundbreaking, just checking the performance before changes will be made...)

Sadly, it seems that older CPU's having troubles. I submited a PIII 1GHz SuperPi 1M test there: http://hwbot.org/submission/2432960_ ...but it is not visible still. What is wrong? I would say it is a standard test... yet something is wrong. Currently running 32M test on the PIII, so please - what about to fix this?

Guys, I wanted to submit a Aquamark3 score. So I downloaded Aquamark3 and run it: (pretty slow for 6800 GT because of PCI mode, lol...) However when submitting the score to the Aquamark, it complaining that the server arc.aquamark3.com is gone. So I looked at the HWbot to way, how to submit the score and from the screenshot it is painfully obvious, that I have to use some Aquamark3 version made FOR HWbot. Nothing against it, right, where to download it - also easy, just right there. But there is two buttons, both give downloads of slightly different sizes: 56 526 985 56 496 732 Weird. But that is not the end of it. While Aquamark3 worked flawlessly on my machine, these executable files both CRASH on my Windows 2000 SP4 machine! This is kinda sad, because that way I cannot submit any Aquamark3 score. What are the suggested way to do things now? Since Aquamark3 did not need to be installed, then if this same is true for the HWbot version - could someone kindly provide me installed version in just a zip archive??? Pretty please with suggar on top? (any Mediafire.com, Sendspace.com, Depositfiles.com or Mega.co.nz service could be used, I manage ) And for W2k users (if the problem is in W2k) - what about offer a just zip file of download of the installed Aquamark3? PS. I should have mentioned that - except for the AGP to PCI troubles - my machine is rock-stable and reliable - just see all the tests done there: http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=85410 ....

Since on Windows 2000 does not work the Intel XTU, I have to manually enter my HW. That is not a problem, since there is the "prepopulated" way of doing things, just with some changes - when need (for example GFX card overclock). However there is a bug. (not only the DDR3 - insist bug) As HDD, I use old good Western Digital 500G drive with 16MB cache. Serie WD5000AAKB. And it is exactly this serie type of my HDD that get lost all the time and I always ending up pasting it there again and again: WTF if going on? Could HWbot be persuaded to remember this one? Is there any chance to fix that...? Thanks!

That is why I cool it pretty well: And so far, it never even touched 50°C... so it should not be of excessive heat. Tough this seems as the best logical explaination...

Guys, I wonder, how one can modify the nVidia drivers to get different maximal and minimal clock that can be applied on graphic card. For example using a Forceware v45.28 drivers, the bottom limits are relatively high 40/65MHz for core/memory of the GeForce2 MX 400 card: For example a GeForce FX5200 can do 8MHz for the core and 50MHz for the videorams: But using ATI Tool on nVidia card is a bit crazy Futhermore it does not work on the GeForce2 MX 400 at all. Therefore I seeking ways how to change/modify/tweak the drivers, so I can try lower settings Score 299 Marks on 3DMark 2001 is still far too high, lol. Anyone got idea, what to tweak to get lower/higher with the limits? Thanks!

Thanks for the Celeron D SuperPI 1M submissions become visible! http://hwbot.org/submission/2424115_trodas_superpi___1m_celeron_lga775_336_1min_9sec_891ms ...heh, I did not fixed the DDR3 rams there, lol... There is no way to fix that, right? Same as the Enermax Liberty 620W PSU only, no "Eco Lot6" - that was something that just poped out there, lol.