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Hello RB and nice to see here. Concerning the first link, it show the current rules updates the 20th january. So I agree to say that subtests are asked since this date. However, some moderators just said that these subtests are only good to investigate in case of suspicious scores (it's not the case here since Neofroce bloqued several PCMark 2005 with old CPU for example) Second point, you have to admit that you make a dedicated news for 3d01 changes for extremely old graphic card (very few members) and HWBot didn't mention a major change in 3Dmark/PCMark rules : subtests. You cannot say that it's strictly our fault not to follow an invisible update in rules... The best for everybody is to accept every score without subtest (except suspicious like Quad CF 4870X2 on 3d03). Then, you write a good and complete news annoncing this major change. But it's up to HWBot's crew. Third point, if you stay on your position (no subtest => moderation), so I want that every score in this situation get the treatment as we received. I'm quite sure that it concerns more than one thousand bench. Finally, if you stay on your position, what are the exact criteria to delete scores without subtests ?

Damien give me the ORB number, your account, password and I will do my best with Futuremark to solve the problem. I hate this sort of situation

The 2 3d06 over 30k with one GTX295

Or a screenshot of the FM valdiation

incl. 3 2001 submissions - subtests required to check mip-map. Concerning 2 3D01, Westyle benched again this afternoon and submit them with all the needed informations. 4 2003 submissions incl. SLI on X58 (also I have some reports of bugged runs) - subtests reqiured. Impossible for them to show subtests since they don't have anything better for you. It's up to you to consider their scores corrects or not 3 2005 submissions - one of them with not shown settings of test. If it's the case, so the screenshot is't valid, I'm 100% agree.

Neoforce, thanks you for the 2 2006 scores restored (Dami1stm and Westyle). I hope the 20-25 other results will have same treatments

So I start again to feel bad... How can you cancel normal scores on classical non bugged benchs like 3d01, PCMarks and so on ? I understand that 2k3 with 4870X2 is pretty delicate to moderate. BUT, the recent scores moderated from my side (JMH) are perfectly fair and not particulary 'rox' towards the setup (cpu/mem/uncore/vga). So, it's totally confusing concerning subtests : are they needed or not or just 'better in case of pretty good run' ?

To be as clear as possible : do all scores without ORB and subtests will be deleted ? If yes, what is the start date ? (for me it's a very bad idea since 50% of 3DMark scores will be reported and deleted)

Yes, I also would like to know when this update has been done and why this important item wasn't linked in a news ! If we read no new rule in HWBot's news, how do you want us to know the changes ? Nobody have to read carefully the rules each time he submit a score. However, everybody has to read carefully the rules one time and to read carefully any change (in HWBot's news). Happy to see that you have nothing personal against us because I'm the 'team leader' and I see you in 90% of our blocked score of my team. Despite it, we really need the application date for the mandatory subtests.

First of all I would like to say some words. We are a very active team on HWBot and we read every news annoncing some changes. 1/ I never see any news mentioning that subtests were mandatory. Do you have the aplication date for it and a clear and visible link showing this change ? 2/ Although subtests are 'mandatory', Orb link provide all the informations in subtest windows => Orb > Subtests. So if any one provide an Orb link have to be safe, although without subtest windows. 3/ The real problem isn't the subtests windows. The real problem is that several person complained at the HWBot moderator that we shared material. Don't forget it. So, we will provide lots of pics / movies to show that we used our own material. If it's not enough, ok some of our scores will be deleted, but we will scan every score and reported every score without subtest including (I insist on that), including HWBot moderators' scores. We all know that some moderator are more aggressive than others... Last thing, Anvil, you said some fair words on OCM. Try not to be bad in saying that we could exchange our graphic cards... Like you said 'it is really difficult to proove the unsharing', it's true. It's nearly impossible to proove unsharing. For the same reasons, it's more than delicate to proove the sharing. I'm waiting moderators decisions but if a rule (subtests) has to be applicated, I want to know when was this rule mandatory and I want that ALL the scores made after the rule without tests have to be reported. I will never accept that this rule would be appllicated differently following members or teams or hwbot's crew.

I just notice that similar situations happened in the past concerning the same clockers and nothing was done to clarify the problem. Takapah, MrLobber, OPB, please join an international OC event and show us your tweaks and OC abilities. It would be a great honor for me to compete you in such events.