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    Poll: ASUS Mars Dual GTX285, where should it be ranked?

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    The question is what differences. In this case it seems obvious: the added bus width and ROPs make the cards substantially different from any regular GTX 295. Not even ASUS recognizes it as a 295 on their website, but as a 2x GTX 285 card.

    In this case, I think I'll request new category for each new Chinese card with modded Device ID. Please add a 9600GT 12sp 128bit DDR3 card. Stickers and cooler said that it was 9600GT and even driver from CD was agree with that. Manufacture had declared it as 9600GT. I don't know why I post it to the most similar category. :)

    Do we really need to make a new category for each exceptional card if performance not affected?

    However, bus width seems to always require new categories to be made. If you disagree, find me some exceptions. Same thing goes for # of ROPs.

    Yep, it was made if it hits performance. But MARS not.

    Poll: ASUS Mars Dual GTX285, where should it be ranked?

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    The device ID might be the same, but it's still not a GTX 295, as per specs

    MARS was created to beat GTX295, and it was used for this reason. It was bought and benched at hwbot as GTX295. If Nvidia had make GTX299 with full specs (240sp and 512bit), MARS would be there even with GTX295 Device ID. But Nvidia didn't make it. MARS is special limited card that not 'own' rankings and it doesn't have a reference analog, is it really need to make it even more special and useless at hwbot?

    I think you agree with the fact that difference in overclocked performance between MARS and GTX295 is the same as between GTX295 and other GTX295. Let's it stay as is and no one will be hurt.

    Difference between cards always existed in every model with the same GPU specs. I hope that we will not have tons of new categories just for specs difference.

    ASUS ROG Ares and Mars graphics cards

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    Point is: It is not because for 10 years people have been submitting wrong that it is "accepted" and "correct". 10 years ago or now, the cards were and still are different.

    MARS is special version of GTX295. It was build for this particular reason. Cause it doesn't have analogs and doesn't give a noticeable advantage, I think it should stay as is.

    ASUS ROG Ares and Mars graphics cards

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    For example GF 6800 card 128bit with 2.0ns GDDR3 memory never reach speed of 1.4ns card. It's really 30-40% difference in performance. They are in same category.

    Reference X1950Pro was good choice for overclocking if you wanna burn it. Non-reference cards can overclock normally. They are in same category.

    I can also remind about limited Galax GTX1060. It's a general GTX1060 according to category, lol.

    How much faster MARS than the GTX295? 2%? Feel the difference.

    Better cards exist all times. This case is not so special to ban it from GTX295 rankings. And MARS is not a mass-production card for own category.

     

    When it comes to unlocked shaders or whatever then there should be two cases:

    1: A full unlock from a lower tier card to a higher tier. Like the X800Pro VIVO that could flash a X800XTPE bios and become a XTPE card. In this instance it should obviously be ranked as a XTPE.

    2: Partly unlocked, which puts the VGA somewhere in between the original tier and the higher one. Then it should be ranked as the original card.

    We will have tons of categories with NV40 cards. 16/6, 16/5, 16/4, 12/6, 12/5, 12/4, 8/6, 8/5, 8/4 cards with different types of memory - DDR1, DDR2 and DDR3 - 27 in total.

    Different categories for unlocked cards is against overclocking. The main goal of overclocking is making hw go faster. No matter how. Tuning clocks, voltmods, unlocking shaders, flashing BIOSes, even taking a pot and pouring LN2. Push it to the limits.

    Wise rule was made years before:

    Unlocked cards go in the original card category, just like they always have.
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