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Hello,
We are having issues submitting to OC-ESPORTS for the TEAM CUP, in particular to the DDR test
A teamate submitted
Speedy22`s Memory Frequency score: 225.3 MHz with a DDR SD-RAM
which is linked to OC-ESPORTS but does not appear on OC-ESPORTS website. Why .... ?
I think another issue is that there exists several teams called with a similar name, and OC-SPORTS has mislinked our team
My team is Hardware.fr [HFR]
There is a Brazilian team Hardware but with this link very close to ours Hardware @ HWBOT
for some reason the link is hardware.fr ... can't it be changed?
For some reason, HWBOT has linked our team name with the Brazilian team. For instance, if you go to this OC-ESPORTS link and click on our hardware.fr teamlink, it goes to the Brazilian team webpage on HWBOT, which is named Hardware.fr [hfr] (small letters HFR)
but we are named Hardware.fr [HFR] (capital letters HFR)
Can you solve this please?
Thank you very much.
bolc
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often cpu-z reports the Vid, not the actual voltage
this chip has a Vid of 1.25 Vactual bios input voltage was about 1.65 V, from the top of my head
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as far as I read...
HWBOT Intel XTU Benchmark Validation Regulations
why not asking them too... ? (a very short list... really not exhaustive)
Xtreme Addict`s XTU score: 1190 marks with a Core i7 4790
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Ranking is done, great
waiting for points on hwbot now.... ("the old points" are still active)
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Hi Folks,
Double message, to be deleted
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can't be that complicated, but the staff must be way too busy and/or way too outnumbered...
keep it up guys
make the Rock Boat (or Make the Boat Rock, if you prefer
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Hiya buddy! Cheers for the reply. I got it sorted in the end
One of the main things was that I was seemingly too lose for the high clocks, I needed C7 to get over the 1900MHz limit as well as a couple of other things. Myself and Noxinite have been trying to see where we can get with max 32M stability now on the boards. I am stuck at around 1060MHz (2120) whereas his board seems slightly better.
Hi ObscureParadox,
So you are basically saying the ram won't go higher in frequency (or the chipset won't allow it) if the latencies are too high? If so, that's very good to know
May I ask if upping tRD=perf level helped ?
Cheers
Ps: I'm not using X48 but EP45T, that should be similar I guess
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Hello,
I am surprised to find some XTU scores where the max turbo coefficient for Haswell (e.g. 4670 minicoopers`s XTU score: 1055 marks with a Core i5 4670) seems to be the value which is normally only achieved with 1 core.
I think this is just a diaplay "bug" from cpu-z not showing the number of active cores, hence x 38 is displayed with 4c/4t while only 1 core is active ; I suppose C3 mode is activated in the bios?
Similarly, XTU shows 4.15 Ghz max frequency, corresponding to 38 x bclk, but only when 1 core is active as it says this time.
When the XTU benchmark runs on 4 cores, the coefficient drops to x36 hence the frequency only equals 36 x bclk = 3.935 Ghz ...?
If someone can confirm, I 'd be happy.
Also, is there any gain to run with C3 activated? I tried long ago but never noticed any gain, but maybe things have changed.
Or if there is a way to unlock the max turbo for 4 cores to the value obtained with 1 core, please share
Thanks.
Cheers
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the ranking of the people who have 0 point is bug.
The people who posted lastly are ranked first the 0 points ranking.
we agree
this needs to be corrected.ideally the way of calculating should be posted. making an average of the ranking for the 0 points benchers seems odd.
I think each 0 points benchers should be given points for each stage, based on their ranked scores, the points should then be summed, and that would do the ranking.
something like in any other competition, starting at 50 points down to to 1 point
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I appreciate. And thanks for being responsive to make this community healthy and happy
all the best
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Moderated and recalculated, top 4 are secured, grats to the winners - we had a decent participation and good results, thanks to Alza for making this happen and the awesome prozes, Elkim especially for help at organizing this and to hte participants for clean results and low workload because of this fopr the staff
I think the rankings after #10 are incorrect. for instance #10 has barely submiited or high scores ad is in front of others.
this seems like nothing but it gives some points on hwbot.
can you look at this...?
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Thanks for the clarification (= an average on the 4 individual ranking).
What happens now if some folks have submitted to less than 4 stages....? say 2 stages...
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Thanks but I m loaded
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Hello everybody,
For those like me not making a single point at this competition, I score a total of 0 point.
There exists, however, a magic ranking listing folks with 0 points, from #10 onwards.
I can't figure out why I rank #24 since all my scores are higher than some of folks listed between #10 and me. For instance, #17
Could you share your magic ranking procedure for this cup....?
Thank you.
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terrific ! extreme ! if you have batch number / Vid, would you share it?
thanks
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decent pricing, for a change on hwbot
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I always check my scores before or right after submitting. I want to know how efficient I am and improve it if neccesary. It's not all about dump the scores and continue. That's not a very good way to improve yourself. If you never compare your score to others, how will you know if you're on par with others or just very bad at a certain benchmark?
Click bench and look away might work for you now, but when you get to the point you are benching seriously with extreme cooling, you might want to know which BSOD you get so you can correct what is neccesary and improve your stability. You'll know when a benchmark is valid or not...
Sorry, only an enthusiast here... I know, bosd dump file analyses can tell you this or that. and sure, comparing with others helps, but in the end if you know the limits of your hardware on your board and coolig, and of your ram, there is little use in comparing
on hwbot, as enthusiast, if you want to make points, you have XTU for modern cpus, you had hwbot prime and x265, and gpupi can also give good suprises, and for old cpus, max frequency, spi, and wprim. the rest is out of reach past 5.3+ Ghz given you will face DI, SS and LN2 clockers.
in my mind, there could/should even be different championships (one per league), with max scores of 50pts for each bench and for each league, as is done in any type of championship except world cups...
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Pausing benches in any form while it runs kills the score. This is why asus doesn't even use the pause button anymore. Pausing using Java console is no different scores worse. BTW why are you even playing with a Java console anyways?? Just run the damn benches.
why? because when I opened the archive expecting a .exe, I found a .jar file (WTF is that. can t you make a .exe guys....?). I am from a school thinking that benchmarking should rely on HARDWARE only, and tweak OS should be plainly forbidden, including all forms of registry/mods to boost superPI for instance etc. I think HWBOT should release full OS to load on USB sticks to boot to benchmark, no modification allowed whatsoever so everybody goes by the same book !
Anyways... I could not load it given I had no java installed and never use .jar files... so I found I had to install java and put 32 bits first. then 64 bits on the advise of someone else.
the .jar icon did not change so I did not think of double clicking... so I searched the web and found this way to start a .jar file via the command line (cmd.exe) : java -jar <jar-file-name>.jar.
lastly I made a shortcut to open the .jar. the command starts the java console, then I push the quick benchmark button.
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Well, for starters, if you know the result might be invalid/faulty, don't just submit it. That's the first and most simple step one can take. Consult an admin or post a topic and ask if other people with the same hardware experience the same issue(s).
It's very easy to blame it on the coder, but it all starts with yourself. You don't blame a car manufacturer if your engine blows up because you were able to tune it, do you? It's your own responsebility to run it as it's meant to run, especially if you want to compare to others and compete professionally. You don't just alter the benchmark, or run it in a way it's not meant to be ran. The rules are this simple.
What tells you that there is a way to know if your hwbot prime score is 100-200pps higher than it should be?
Ram settings, OS tweaks, etc, can cover it all, plus who is inspecting/comparing to say this score seems out of range. Whn I submit 10-15 scores on a cpu, I don 't check where it fits next to the others, I look at the score and move on...
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Disallowed tweaks/cheats
Any software or human interaction altering the perceived speed of the benchmark program, tricking it to believe it ran faster
I think for x265 and the rules, I quote them again, you can´t talk of not cheating. It is a deliberate act to pause the benchmark, it is visible the result is not obtained correctly because of the time elapsed and one or two other issues.
I was very fond of $@39@ from the start of his comeback and always willing to help, recaculate scores, answer questions and so on and it is no fun for me to see this situation now. It also damages hwbot once again.
On Hwbotprime, it might be eol, but I had never the problem you mentioned with paused benchmark for example. If I would get a dollar for each 3dmark, catzilla or 2d benchmark I had to block for being bugged runs or which I saw (including spi 1m pifast etc) I could buy cpus at palettes
. As long as we have thousands of different variations of os, drivers, stripped copies etc we will always face bugs even at the most reliable benchmarks. But bugs and cheats are a different pair of shoes...I edited my message after I initially posted.
I didn't mean that someone needs to exploit bugs by looking into the code or finding ways to make the software behave out-of-norm. What if the software has bugs and displays, in certains combinations of hardware/software, scores which are invalid=unreal, what can we do about it ...?
Otherwise, you mean HWBOT PRIME is End-Of-Life .... ?
Damn, I thought I saved the file for G3258, but I guess I did not want to be faced with temptation, I can't find it.... Will look on the bench station harddrive tonight.
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Flipping forward isn't necessary, at least not for HWBOT Prime. The benchmark just halts and picks up after a while.
Do you have the same behavior with older Java versions?
I do see glitches with the Java 9 64bits (but that could happen with other versions, I use that one snce I was told this is the best one...), no need to apply any cheat, I have seen the system halting / freezes, then it goes on again and display a pathetically high score. 0, absolutely 0 human interaction, not even touching the mouse ! And frankly, I don t always keep my eyes on the software. Often, after I start the bench, I switch the display input to get to my pc to submit prior scores, then come back to the bench station.
This way I get some good or bad "suprise effect" when I see the new score, and sometimes when you are at the o/c edge of the system, you don't want to see the system BSOD crash...
In my book, this glitch may be called relatively POOR programming by those releasing bench software : obviously, an overclocked system could destabilize basic windows service like the clock, or whatever is ued to time the benchmark? (I have 0 programming skills)
If someone gets banned because of someone else not being capable to code PROPERLY (meaning the counting procedure is not hardware-bug 100% proof), should the coder be left in peace....? IMO, this makes no sense.
One may follow the rules and apply a bugged score, knowing or not whether the score is real. Yet, he did not do anything against the written rules...
So what to do? Remove all scores...? Or remove only bugged scores? But yeay, shouldn't there be some validation tool like superPI to make sure the score is realistic / not glitched ?
Removing glitched scores a posteriori, is condemning a lot of folks who submitted their best files while perhaps having a slightly lower one, not glitched but not knowing that, and currently not able to rebsubmit or rebench. Unfair in my book.
PS: if a developper wants what to retrive what I know is a "bugged" file for a HWBOT PRIME score of G3258, score which would have broken the World Record !!! I can post it for their examination. I did not submit the file in HWBOT for obvious reasons...
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Hi,
do you plan to have any pricing/listing of ddr2 ram coming up?
thanks.
cheers
Impossible to get DDR score online on OC-ESPORTS while score is active on HWBOT...
in HWBOT Competitions
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Thanks for the update.
I will keep them posted with the "right" way to do ; a system that sorts out and validate the best score per teamate would be "smart", no matter if several scores are linked to the same stage?
scores can only be deleted on hwbot, not on oc-esports ? if ay, tomorrow I decide to score ddr4 instead of my ddr3, but want to keep my ddr3 score on hwbot...