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    PCMARK Vantage

    in Benchmark software

    Posted

    i think it should get points... pcmark05 is to easy to manipulate with iram.... the point of PCmark is just that... to bench the WHOLE PC. not your $5000 worth of irams in raid0. which is all most of the top scores are, just plug in 6 irams and away you go. with vantage it moderates that a little bit. just my 2 cents

     

    But after some point, more irams won't help, am I right ?

    You won't be able to publish your score to ORB, if a lot of irams in raid0 are used ...

     

    BTW, yesterday I spent an hour or so to bench PCMark Vantage ... Nice benchmark, but futuremark indirectly forces you to buy the advanced license :( With the trial key, you can only view your score once :D:(

    cheaters sucks..

    in General overclocking

    Posted

    I just said that CPU-z validations can be altered ( faked ).

    Everybody knows that, and I know lots of people who can do it ( if they really wanted to ).

    I bet I can do it too, but I don't.

    Can you guarantee that nobody is doing it though ?

     

    Οf course you can't ... it's getting ridiculous though ... How are we ever going to know if something is valid or not ...

     

    Validation ---> can be hacked

    Screenshot ---> can be edited/photoshop-ed

    Video ---> Cheat program could easily run at the "background", without being spotted

     

    :(

    wPrime 2.00 beta

    in General overclocking

    Posted · Edited by George_o/c

    There is something weird going on here ... But I can't figure out exactly what can be blamed for that ...

     

    I did my testing in two different Win XP installations (sorry gpr, but my Vista + SP1 nLited installation wouldn't run wPrime :D - have to create a new one ;)) ... One of them is my crappy one year installation (win xp pro + sp2), and the other one a fresh Win XP pro + sp2 nLited one ...

     

    In the first one I used Olive Luna theme (from my tests, it's giving me a 0.5 - 0.7sec boost against the Classical one), and in the second one the Windows Classical Theme ...

     

    Now, as far as the first one is concerned ... Take a look :

     

    v1.43

     

    v143dx4.th.jpg

     

    v1.53

     

    v153wf4.th.jpg

     

    v1.55

     

    v155tu9.th.jpg

     

    v2.00 beta 3

     

    v200ur1.th.jpg

     

    after five runs, with v2.00 beta 3

     

    weirdthingrk3.th.jpg

     

    Then I changed to an other hdd, the one with XP + SP2 nLited (nLited setup) ... classical theme used ... Now I have the photos on my other hdd (so can't post 'em), but I have some videos ...

     

    Same mobo, bios settings, rams, ram timings/sub-timings, cpu frequency ...

     

    v1.55 = 85.187sec

    v1.53 = 84.391sec

    v1.43 = 81.360sec

    v2.00 beta 3 = 80.422sec

     

    What the heck is going on here ???

     

    I have the videos and the photos, I can upload them tomorrow if you want ;) In the meanwhile, you can check out the boost I get from Olive Luna theme ... :P

     

    P.S. Tweaks used ... Real Time priority ... only one ... ;)

     

    //EDIT: Just read the thing about beta 2, beta 3 and how they are automatically re-named in beta 1 :P I've downloaded the beta 3 package, so it's beta 3 anyway :)

    -> Validated score still wrong? Let us know here

    in Submission & member moderation

    Posted

    I notice that alot of old scores have missing screenshots, not just the one you just mentioned. Why is that?

     

    Something is a bit weird here;) Are all images deleted after two years or so+ I see that even when I search XS, images in oooold threads have vanished, which is annoying when I look for mods etc... but to have a score deleted that way is much, much worse.

     

    I'm planning to buy a couple of memory sticks for my screenshots, just in case they start disappearing from HWbot, too...:eek:

     

    I've noticed that too ... Don't know what this is ... Maybe a problem of imageshack or what ? :confused:

     

    That's a great idea, about old scores ... ;)

    -> Validated score still wrong? Let us know here

    in Submission & member moderation

    Posted

    Hello everybody :)

    Wanted to show you sth ...

     

    AppleWolf (here is his profile http://www.hwbot.org/searchMembers.do?userId=8542&name=AppleWolf), has posted 4 results in the X1650 AGP category, however done with a X1650 PCI-E ... (look at his GPU-Z tab ... :D)

     

    AppleWolf's 3Dmark 2001 - with a X1650 PCI-E http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=749436

     

    AppleWolf's 3Dmark 2003 - with a X1650 PCI-E http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=749431

     

    AppleWolf's 3Dmark 2005 - with a X1650 PCI-E http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=749432

     

    AppleWolf's 3Dmark 2006 - also with a X1650 PCI-E :Dhttp://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=749433

     

    I reported the scores, and told the reason I did that too, but I've noticed that now I can't report them ... I can assume that means, that hwbot.team has seen them, and didn't notice that we 're talking about a PCI-E X1650 here ? Why didn't AppleWolf ask for a new X1650 PCI-E category, instead of posting scores done with an E8500 + X1650 PCI-E in the AGP category ?

     

    Please remove them ...

     

    Also :

     

    Serban's 3Dmark 2005 score (here it is : http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=746643) has no verification AT ALL ! ... If you press the link to forumpost you will find yourself here ... http://www.xtrempc.ro/forum/viewtopic.php?p=612268#612268

    In Serban's post, you will find the submission but no image (unless they have removed the image 'cause the result is two years old ?) ...

     

    Here's what I see anyway ...

     

    hwbot1my4.jpg

     

    Monstru's 3Dmark 2003 is also wrong ...

    He is using a X1650Pro ...

    http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=752369 <-- his score

    http://forum.crazypc.ro/showpost.php?p=84401 <-- his link to forumpost (where you clearly see he's using a X1650Pro running at stock clocks (600/800) ...

     

    I think we are now ok :)

    Please create a new X1650 PCI-E category so that AppleWolf can enjoy his scores :) Do not delete them, just move them ;)

    I would be also pleased if you could move the other scores too, in their right category ;)

     

    Thanks in advance, my best regards,

    George :)

    Hardware sharing and both parties submitting

    in Submission & member moderation

    Posted · Edited by George_o/c

    you are very skilled kidnapping someone's else thread, if you would make use of your skills by benching you could probably beat coolaler :D

     

    whom score btw, has been moderated by hwbot crew and no longer can be reported....

     

    and it has a 45.5k PP so i don't see why it looks so "confusing" for you

     

    although you think everything is invented as of tweaking world :D you are very wrong ;)

     

    And what about OPB's QX9770 SPi 1M ... I don't exactly remember his time, but I distinctly remember that at 5900+ MHz he got 44.2k pp, while Sam got like 44.77k pp @ 6050MHz ... We all know, that the more MHz are increasing, the more difficult it is to have a pp under 45k ;)

     

    At least at mrlobber's SPi 1M WR over at xs, all the tweaks that Sam used were clearly stated ;) He also said that thing about cw (which is amazing, at this speed :)), and how he can win about 0.05 seconds), or about the 3 services running and the custom win xp setup :) In that way, he's coming clear, and everything's fine, his score is no longer questioned, and his SPi reputation is still good :)

    [btw Sam, can I ask you sth ? Did you play with MCHBAR ? I think that with your tweaking skills, and some MCHBAR messing with, you are going to be surprised :) - I'm pretty sure you already know that, don't you ?]

     

    But OPB is all the time, hiding ... Why doesn't he mention his tweaks ? Some say that he doesn't mention them, because all the other guys are going to use them and "overtake" him in that benchmarking race ... That's bullshit ! You know why ? Pedro is clearly THE best tweaker in 3D 01 :) Although, I'm pretty sure that you have seen his threads over at xs, every time or ok, sometimes he mentions the tweaks he used :) But he's still the 3D 01 tweaking KING, no matter what, and he still posts amazing scores, that NO ONE can touch at the same clocks ;)

     

    Every man that has some self-respect should come out clear ;)

     

    You cheat ? Admit it ...

    You don't cheat ? Prove it ...

    We all know that we live in a world, that telling the truth isn't an ordinary thing, and it's extremely difficult to trust someone, unless he's your friend and you know him personally ...

    But you guys, are trying to convince us, that we should all trust someone, that we don't know ...

     

    IT'S AN INTERNET WORLD FOR CHRIST'S SHAKE ! :D

    Congrats to SF3D and Pro for their "fight"...

    in Member Discussions

    Posted · Edited by George_o/c

    Dinos, I like it : Keep benchin' it ! :D Cool ;)

     

    Guys well done, I can't even imagine the hard work it takes to get up there ! Hipro, everytime the same thing :P At first one or two results only to tease us, and then all WRs posted together :P I'm wondering what your thread title is going to be that time ... :D So far, " Let's talk about SEX ....... " rocks ! :)

    3Dmark 2008 'Vantage' - to add or not to add

    in Benchmark software

    Posted

    Seems fair, wise decision :)richba5tard thanks for the info m8, looks like you (hwbot crew) have a difficult time making a decision ... Yeah, maybe FM let us save scores with the advanced version ... But I really don't think that they will let us submit scores on a win xp pc, nor having the score without going online ('cause that's a way for them, not to leak the scores out of Orb in screenshots, really dunno, dunno ...) ... :( Vista, is the core ... :D

    3Dmark 2008 'Vantage' - to add or not to add

    in Benchmark software

    Posted

    Well ... I voted for professional preset + with points ... Unfortunately I learned the bad news after my vote ... :( Paying 500$ so that you can save the score (and of course ultimately tweak your benchmark - because you have a variety of options to change ... for instance, you can always delete your network once you have the professional version, and then save your scores ... But that would give you an unfair advantage over the rest of PPLs ... :(), is totally irrational ... :(

     

    20$ for advanced isn't a lot of money ... But why the hell do I have to have my internet connection installed on a bench rig, on a tweaked OS that I've done everything to make it " lighter " for benching ... That's the main part, I disagree with Futuremark ... It's exorbitantly expensive for the majority of PPLs, 500 bucks so that you can save your score ... :(

     

    Now as far as Vista is concerned ... Guys let's face it ... I know Vista is a crappy OS, but it's now the OS that has to be promoted ... Don't forget, that for example when HALO 3 was out on PCs, it came with a stupid sign : " Vista only " ... I mean, from now on, let's face it, Vista will be promoted with one or the other way ;) It's marketing, it's a way for Microsoft to be richer ... Hence, all of you, who think of " Vista only " as a manipulative move that will only get " them " richer, the answer is don't use Vista .... don't bench Vantage ... I'm with you (I use XP + SP2, for years now and I'm happy with it :)), I certainly would like it if FutureMark had made Vantage available for DX9 APIs also, but that's how marketing works ... And besides that, we all judge FutureMark's move from our point of view ... Just like we would like Vantage to work with XP, some people want Vantage working with their Vista OS ...

     

    I'm going to use a trial version of Vista in one of my HDDs just to test Vantage, and see what it's like :) And of course I'll use the old good PrtSc ... :P ...

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