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    CPU 700MHz Bus Speed Project

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    4 hours ago, ludek said:

    I had once gigaboom GA EP45 UD3LR. I have done 624 mhz fsb on my old old e8200 c0 stepping, all air. I was very proud, but have no validation, only screen. It was back in 2009 or 2010, when I was starting my fascination on OC. It was before I found hwbot (polish overclock site with only screenshot to validate)

     

    Wytiwx, thanks for sharing the knowledge!

     

    Edit:

    I have found this! LINK
    it was 1.7 Volt, stock NB AIR cooling :)

    Good job, man, and nice to see you.

    CPU 700MHz Bus Speed Project

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    6 hours ago, ground said:

    Have you tried any of the really low end gigabyte p45 boards too? I wonder if they can get anywhere close to 700 as well...

    I think UD3L board may have a chance, as long as it has the key BIOS options we can tweak. Still, we need to find good NB more than good CPU. Will try at next stage.

    CPU 700MHz Bus Speed Project

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    1 hour ago, Noxinite said:

    Very, very nice. Probably can say blanket all P45 is somewhere around that range for NB Ref as on the EP45T-Extreme it looks like I used x0.565.

    Suprised that such low cpu clock skew worked fine, I normally need 150ps minimum (EP45T-Extreme again).

    Also, I never found anything other than 900ps to work well for cpu clock drive.

    As for air post, I think I managed to get to splash screen on old (dead) EP45T-Extreme with 720 all air. Rip, need to have another go at resurrecting it.

    My EP45T-Ex boards all worked too bad on air by now, never saw 660+ FSB post, maybe I should rebench too :P

    CPU 700MHz Bus Speed Project

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    Posted · Edited by wytiwx

    Sorry to keep you waiting so long, need some time to process my VCRs.

    We all know, EP45 UD3R/UD3P are good boards to Core 2 Quard CPU for 500 FSB stability, 

    but few OCer would like to use EP45/EP45T UD3 series for 700 FSB goal, they felt not so good, so as I did.

    Since Mr. GRIFF made 708 FSB by EP45 UD3P, I begin to pay more attention to these UD3 boards. 

    After severals weeks, I found that UD3 boards were really good.

    Now, The most important point I want to say is, 

    When CPU and NB are both with LN2 cooling, at least 50% of E0 stepping C2D E8X00 CPU can do 700 FSB CPU-Z validation, by EP45/EP45T UD3 series.

    If you can't make this, the first thing you suspect should be NB, or BIOS tweak, not CPU.

    The important BIOS options on UD3 boards for raw high FSB (in fact, they're almost the same as on the other P45 boards):

    Vcore: 1.40V to 1.60V (no need LLC)

    Vtt: 1.40V to 1.60V

    Vpll: 1.35V (air) to 1.59V (LN2)

    Vnb: 1.46V to 1.70V (get a IHS on NB chip! make sure NB cooling is good!)

    Vmem: your mem choice

    CPU Vref: 0.61x to 0.62x

    NB Vref: 0.578x to 0.591x

    CPU Clock Drive: 800mV to 1000mV

    CPU Clock Skew: 50ps to 100ps

    Performance Enhance: "Standard"

    Mem strap: 1:1

    CPU features: all to "disable"

    Other BIOS options remain "auto"

    Mem for DDR2 UD board: Micron D9GMH

    Mem for DDR3 UD board: Elpida Hyper

    VGA: PCI card for 720+ FSB

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    CPU 700MHz Bus Speed Project

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    13 hours ago, Noxinite said:

    Honestly I'm not sure why you guys says the EP45T-Extreme is hard to clock, I've had three boards now and all do >680 and high FSB 2:3 SuperPi 8M easy. So far I've found that clock skews don't really help for valid (or 8M), but more for stability (32M) (maybe why you guys get large gaps between valid and stable on some cpus?). The GTLs, PLL and silicon quality are what seem to dictate FSB. But even if you use the same setting for each CPU you get reasonable results (see below for ambient).

    660771665_Wolfdale8MStability.png.e95b1b469182e6f8df8c80fe3756b1ee.png

    wooo, what a nice list!

    Can you shared the tips of ep45-extreme for high FSB?

    CPU 700MHz Bus Speed Project

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    1 hour ago, TaPaKaH said:

    1. It really varies from board to board. The same CPU might do 650 32M air in one board, but fail 600 POST in another 650+ capable board. In my 14 years on 775 I couldn't figure this out, so I would normally just pick a dozen best MHz/volt cores on air, put all under LN2 and see what happens.

    2/3. Do you expect to bench at 700 FSB with decent efficiency, or are you after the 750 FSB record?
    For the former, you would have to use Garbage Extreme or P5E3-Premium (P5E64-WS Evo can also be an option), but those generally don't go above 710-720 no matter how well you bin or cool the NB.
    For the latter, EP45T-Extreme seems to be the one to go for. However, I was never able to get one above 600 and always found Biostar TP45HP / Tpower I45 to be super easy for raw FSB. Maybe ASUS P45 and/or Gigabyte P45 UD-series boards can easily do 700+ too, but this has not yet been verified. DFI P45 can potentially do 700+ too, but those boards are a pain to work with - DFI's shitty engineers just couldn't figure things out on their own, passed this down to the customer and claimed 'it's the ultimate tweakers' board".

    4. Sweet spot for VTT is usually 1.40-1..50, for PLL is anywhere between 1.25 and 1.60 depending on CPU. Note that only Gigabyte boards can set PLL below 1.50 in the BIOS, for the rest you will need a hardware mod. From my experience, P45 usually scales up to 1.60-1.65 VNB and X48 usually scales up to 1.75-1.85 VNB, but of course there are counter examples.

    Hello sam, nice to see.

    I just want 700 FSB validation, no for bench or WR.

    Can you share some tips about Biostar TP45 HP or TP I45 for raw FSB?

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    CPU 700MHz Bus Speed Project

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    3 hours ago, TerraRaptor said:

    1. Hi. Normally, VTT won't give you any noticable gain - one cpu will do FSB 650 in 32m with 1.44-1.49v vtt, another one will hit the wall at 630 with same voltage and raising vtt to 1.7v won't break that wall. Also, some cpus have a very narrow range between full stability (pi 32m run) and valid - just 10-15mhz, others may have that range extended - like 640mhz 32m and 690mhz barely stable to validate (but yet 50 mhz difference). I would say C1 stepping is first category, E0 is second category. CPUs are also extremely sensitive to GTLs. So I would bin cpus for fsb validation if that is the goal. I had just a couple of good cpus that would break 690mhz, both were trying to post with air cooling @670mhz. Very important thing to consider - push Vcore for fsb. I needed >1.7v to get 700mhz although core clock was 4.2ghz.

    2. Biostar t-power p45, giga ep45t-extreme, rampage exteme (8x serials). There is a chance with P5e3 x48, p5e64 evo. DFI is really annoying, ate all my patience yesterday - so I won't recommend it (though board is still worth mentioning here).

    3. Boards run into a kind of wall with fsb, I wouldn't count Vnb as important factor - while it scales, who cares of volts? My safe limits are 1.82v and 45C idle temps.

    4. VTT - normally every cpu has a sweetspot, 1.45-1.55v. Vref (aka GTL) should be 0.61-0.65 of VTT, depends on cpu. Vpll - keep it low, high values are killers for 45nm anyway. I have an impression that Vcore should be higher than vtt with a margin of 0.15-0.2v all the time. NB vref is a kind of unknown for me yet, but looks like p45 needs it to be x0.58 of vtt, x48 will need higher values (0.63-0.65).

    Thank you so much!

    For point 1, Is C1 stepping better than E0 stepping for 700 FSB?

    For point 2, I can use EP45-UD3 to boot 650 FSB easily, but I failed to boot 560+ FSB on DDR2 EP45-EXTREME with the same CPU and memory and the same tweak method, how could it be possible?

    And how could I know if cpu hit the FSB wall first, or mobo NB hit its FSB wall first?

    CPU 700MHz Bus Speed Project

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    Posted

    Hey, guys :)

    I want to achieve my 700 FSB OC goal, now I get some questions, I wish the 700 FSB masters can help me.

    1. I am going to use C2D E8400 or E8500 or E8600, how much FSB @ Vtt should CPU can do on air? for example, 650 FSB boot @ 1.20V Vtt?  or 670 FSB boot @ 1.30V Vtt?

    2. What motherboard will be good enough for 700 FSB? I saw many OCer used EP45T-EXTREME, but it's really hard to find by now. DFI P45 is great board but it can drive you mad too.

    3. How much MAX FSB @ Vnb should motherboard can do on air? for example, 600 FSB boot @ 1.20V Vnb? or 630 FSB boot @ 1.30V Vnb?

    4. How to tweak Vtt, Vnb, Vpll, CPU Vref, NB Vref on motherboard? What is the main principle?

    THX very much!

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