Movieman

Two weeks ago last Wednesday I had a massive heart attack and came very close to leaving this little journey through life. Except for what I would call incredible efforts of over 100 people at two hospitals I doubt I'd be here. I'd been feeling what I'd call a little "draggy"..No energy,etc for the last couple years and I put it down to age but it was all the arteries in my heart clogging up. Now with 5 stents in them I feel better in many ways than I have in years. Sucks to get older but it beats the alternatives. Dave

Looks! What? Congratulations! Any specs? Board? :-)

The problem is there are ES's and then there are 'ES's".. Generally last bin ES's are the same stepping as the first retails and I'm talking Intel here. I ran into this myself with my E5-2687W C1 ES 8 core cpu's They are identical to the first retails and have no advantage over the retail chips. Now Intel did make some C0's that had unlocked multi's and those IMHO would and should not be used except to show the possibilities of what can be done but not subbmitted for points. Call it an honor thing if you will. That is the biggest problem I see here. There are prople here that in the pursuit of temporary fame or whatever you call it will stop at nothing just for records. My answer to them is what you win by cheating means nothing..

Congrats!

All I ask is please show me the rule where it states that ES chips aren't allowed to be submitted by someone in the Enthusiast league. Thanks.

http://HWBOT.org/submission/1006165_movieman_wprime___32m_2x_xeon_x5680_2sec_203ms/ Read all the comments on this page above and perhaps that will explain why I thought there was no issue with submitting with an Es chip once the line had gone retail. I would also point out that massman posted on that submission and said nothing about it being an ES. Now if this is strictly because I am in the Enthusiast league which is where I always thought someone like me should be I have no issue in changing to whatever is appropriate.The designation of which league really means nothing to me but in all reality I am an enthusiast not a pro by any means. Most of you spend more time during the course of the year taking out the rubbish than I do benching..

Dual socket 2011 is current. That we all agree on. It is "current" with SB-E's. It is 'future" with IB-E's..To me thats the distinction. I still keep coming back to my submissions are with currently available retail parts or in the case of the cpu, one that is equal to current retail. The ONLY reason I'm getting better times is simple: 1) The SM X9DAX-iF board has options in the retail bios to move the BCLK from default 100 up to as much as 106. 2) The memory: I'm using Corsair Dominator Platniums rated at C9@2133 and they do make a BIG difference. Just to elaborate on this I have tested 4 different sets of memory: 1)Centon DDR3-1333 ECC REG..Good and solid to 1418 2)Corsair GTX1's: Nice, solid at up to the settable max of 1983MHZ 3)Corsair Dominator Platniums rated at C10@2666: Better than the GTX1's and was able to go from 2.325 with the GTX1's down to 2.308s in wPrime32m 4) Corsair Dominator Platniums rated at C9@2133 With these in 15 minutes I went from 2.308s to 2.218s My point here is my times have nothing to do with the cpu's, it is all in the memory used and lets face it, there aren't many people using top gaming memory in a dualie. There is your difference and proof of such.

Correct, and it is "current" hardware not unreleased hardware..That is exactly my point. What I am using is no different than what is available at retail. Now if I was using a pair of those unlocked multi C0 stepping 8 core sandy Bridge E's then I would agree that they shouldn't be allowed as they give an unfair advantage.

I can totally agree with 'unreleased hardware"'..IE: Soon I will have 12 core IB xeons and wouldn't make submissions for points with them as that isn't "fair" to everyone. Back in 2010 I had a EVGA SR2 MB on February 24,2010 MONTHS before they went retail but I waited for 2 weeks after retail release before I submitted anything. My point is I play "fair" and anyone who knows me also knows that. To me to get accused of essentially cheating by using parts that have an advantage over what is available to the general public is the last thing I ever want to hear or see. End of rant.

I PM'd him and linked him to this thread app 10 mins ago..

Got this email so I'm assuming the issue is closed: Hello, An HWBOT moderator, "GENiEBEN", has marked one of your submissions as 'checked by a moderator'. This was the reason the user gave: //ticket closed You can view your result here: http://hwbot.org/submission/2378757_movieman_wprime___32m_2x_xeon_e5_2687w_2sec_218ms If you have questions, please contact the moderator at codinx@gmail.com, drop a message in the forums or leave a message on GENiEBEN's wall. Yours sincerely, the hwbot.org team

I just checked the rules and found this: 1.1 – League Participation Rules By default, anyone can choose what League to compete in, with a few exceptions. For your convenience, here’s a list of requirements for each HWBOT League. The staff will not force members to switch league if that member is actively competing for a top rank in either the league or any of the global rankings. Top rank is defined as Top-50 for the Leagues and Top-10 for the benchmark rankings. Pro OC League Employed by HW vendor (if overclocker is competing for top positions within benchmark and/or league rankings) ES hardware If plenty of free hardware (voluntary basis) Overclockers League If using extreme cooling Enthusiast League Air/water cooling only. ---------------------------------------------------- I don't see anything where ES chips aren't allowed in the Enthusiast league only that air and water cooling are allowed and with very few exceptions my machines are air cooled as is the one in question.

I'm not doubting you but if that is the case then why have my submissions been accepted for years using ES chips? Something is messed up here. Either a new rule that I'm not aware of or a rule that hasn't been enforced for the years I've been involved in this. I appreciate your imput but I think it's time to bring massman into this and find out exactly what the rules are.. Thanks for the imput.

Is this a new rule? If so I will move. Lets honest here. I make submissions generally on new dual socket platforms and thats about it. I am not what anyone would call a "bencher".. To me benchmarks are to find out the best settings for a machine and whatever points come with submissions are just to help the XtremeSystems team.

Hi, Since when? This is no different than the retails.It's a C1 which is exactly what the stepping was when when the retails first came out. It is no better than any retail chip in any way. These are also the same chips that I've used in submissions for the last year!

And here I was wondering who beat my 8 sec time..then I see one sec and do a WTF and then see what processor and was just about to report t5his when I started reading the comments.. :-)

Go Vince!

Just one processor? BOO! Hiss! :-)

Nice, I can't touch that with a dualie! LOLOL

Nice, I didn't know that AsRock made dualies!

Thanks guys!

Maybe I should lap my E5-2687W's? LOLOLOL

Thanks pal..First Global record I think..LOL

Well done!

It's the board. With this you can do the same..