Massman

It's okay per competition rules, but I'm not sure if it'll be competitive. http://hwbot.org/hardware.compare.do?type=cpu&id=951_1&id=1415_1&id=1954_1

Not entirely sure what's bottlenecking the performance ...

I guess this will be Sempron 140/145 territory. Not sure what'll happen with big VGA configurations ... even Vantage must be CPU limited then

PEOPLE, don't forget that you have to show BOTH GPU and MEM running in the Afterburner logs!! Not just the GPU core frequency ...

I am staying positive, hence why I posted 3 alternative rankings already

The development of HWBOT is hugely limited by the amount of manpower and time restriction, which means that new stuff like for instance a dedicated section for notebooks are put on hold most of the time. I wonder ... if we had unlimited resources, what would YOU ask US to do? In other words: post your wildest HWBOT dreams

Another alternative is to have a team ranking as follows: Team points = "PowerTeam" points + % (global points) + % (hardware points) % can be seen from a personal perspective (eg: 20% of my hardware points are allocated to the team points) or from a team perspective (eg: 20% of the team's total hardware points are ...). Again, it makes hardware sharing less beneficial for the team ranking, but still allows people to support the team by submitting scores.

As an alternative, we could make breaking the hardware sharing rules less beneficial by imposing a MaxTeamPoints limitation to all rankings. For example: Max(GTX480,3DMark03,1xGPU) = 42.8p => Accumulated member points for 1x GTX480 3DMark03 =< 42.8 Looking at this ranking, it would mean that the following people are contributing to the team's total: - Team Finland: SF3D and Maggaa - Hardwareluxx: Benchbros and suicidephoenix - OCClub: Smoke and Slamms - ... Alternatively the suggestion that the best score gets 100% of the points and all other scores (of the team) in the same ranking contribute 10% of the points to the team total.

No one realizes that allowing hardware sharing makes the teams league completely pointless; just a retard ranking where the biggest team takes the win just because they have the most manpower? Hello wallet-benchmark. If you want to allow hardware sharing AND have an interesting teams league, there's only one way: the teams league as suggested in the initial post and presentation. So basically, we're back at square one ... it only took 560 posts to realize this.

In Taipei I was just contemplating on the topic of downclocking being beneficial and whether that's just part of the game or a big flaw in the software. Since I'm back in the office, I can finally run the tests myself. This weekend that is.

Card has to be >25°C at all times, not just at the end of the benchmark. Screenshot, OBVIOUSLY, has to be clear. No downcutting/resizing so people cannot see the details of the score properly. I thought that was selbverstandlich.

When a river is flooding water into your village, building a big wall so it floods to a nearby village is not the solution. Maybe you can reduce the bitching about 'hardware sharing' to a minimum, but what's the point if it increases the bitching about 'double accounts', for instance? Or just make the rankings a lot worse (where the biggest team always wins)?

Elmor has a 1450MHz GTX480 and a 1425MHz GTX480. He keeps the former to himself and sends the latter to all his team mates. Also, it's possible to have team sessions. You invite your team mates to bench at your place so you have full control over the golden piece of hardware. Also the three other issues I mentioned before.

C'mon ... if you buy a card for a contest, you should do research for the best card. Apparently some guys didn't do it, although it requires only a few minutes time to realize memory is the bottleneck (hwbot graphs or even some reviews). Don't blame the competition for that mistake .

Maybe -maybe- it solves the bitching about hardware sharing, but it will create a lot more problems. - Extremely large teams will own the game, small teams have no place anymore - The bitching will shift from hardware sharing to 'one user has multiple accounts' - Increasing amount of score sharing Those are just three issues; I'm sure there are several others left to mention.

Good. I'll join join forces with a couple of teams so that we have an 'OC army' of roughly 1000 overclockers, send them my golden GTX480 and destroy all. That'll be interesting.

Impressive!

Looking forward to see how these new systems solve some of the issues we're facing

Quickly checked the Crimestoppers site ... looks like a good idea. The key point, however, is that this is a anonymous system. So, rewarding someone with a system is not possible. To what extend do you see Team Captains play a role? There are 1000+ teams on HWBOT, which means there are 1000+ team captains as well. Having a dedicated subforum with 1000 people posting might not be that much better than posting everything in public.

Make it legal? Have you considered the consequences of that action? Or is this just something you throw in the group?

The thing is ... most of the time someone talks about hardware sharing in another team, it's based on hear-say rumours, cannot be talked about in public (maybe someone gets angry) and there's hardly ever any proof. If we start removing entire teams based on just "hey, I am sure of this", then I guess anyone could come to the staff and accuse someone they don't like. If at a certain point someone comes to me about XS sharing hardware, will you allow me to remove the entire team just because of that rumour? Or even based on made-up evidence (which is actually happening)? I'm also not really comfortable setting up a 'witness protection' unit ... it sounds rediculous even typing the words. On of the underlying issues here is that team captains all too often choose the side of their team member, even though evidence shows that hardware sharing (or cheating for that matter) happened. I'm VERY open to suggestions from the team captains, but in return I want them to take responsibility as well and remove the unfair players from their team if they suspect something strange is going on.

Not mem coldbug ... just coldslow

Oh! Excellent 200k :-)

-confirmed- evidence

As it currently stands: ES of released revision (eg: 980X B1 ES): allowed for all leagues ES of unreleased revision (eg: 980X A0 ES): only allowed in UFL