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    R5: Pro OC V2 - Pro OC Cup introduction

    in HWBOT Rev.5

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    This is probably not the place for a general blabla, but why not..

     

    The only people that are going to with in a Pro OC cup are KP/Tin, Andre/Asus and Russia, maybe Hicookie/GB team.

    Along with their obvious skill, a significant reason is they get the best and most CPUs and hardware.

    There are so many guys who bust their asses that cannot get close to this no matter how good they are.. This is OK in the normal R4 pro league, and accepted, yet under this new comp, they will be forced to spend a dewar load of money to compete, or else effectively GTFO or go back to the OC league (that no one cares about???? really?) All for the purpose of making OC and HWbot more compelling to the public.

     

    I would not want to spend thousand$ on 4x 7970 or AMD FX with LHe because I am forced to to come 18th or 27th at best. I would rather bench a decent 3770K, single GPU and be happy with that, even in my local forums, or towards the back of the current pro league in my case.

     

    Maybe once the public is more aware of how the top echelon of OC'ing works behind the scenes, they will not be so enthusiastic. (CPU Mafia lmfao :P I know this guy at Intel Oregon...) I see overclocking as a hobby and a bit of fun like in years gone past.. I don't think the public identifies with a 1 in 1000 CPU on ln2. Many people in forums could not care less about ln2, many care only about 24/7 and a heap run i7 920 with 5850 and see no reason at all to use the latest and greatest.

     

    Overclocking cannot be compared to gaming. Gamers can see action live and can follow blow by blow like most sports (Headshot! you sunk the battleship asshole!). Gamers follow pro gaming because they identify with it, they play the same games and identify with the culture.

     

    I understand what the bot is trying to do, but I need some beer goggles to see how professional overclocking can be consistently compelling to the public long term. Live event I see differently.

     

    Anyway, i'm off to get some food. :D

    Opinions are like you know what, i don't have the passion or commitment to OC I once did, these are just a few off the top of my head thoughts. I am sure there are counter opinions galore.

     

    Respect.

    R5: Pro OC V2 - Pro OC Cup introduction

    in HWBOT Rev.5

    Posted

    I would also like to see a preview. So I can see what happens to a current pro league local vendor rep or overclocking reviewer under the new system.. (one who chooses not to compete in the Pro cup and cannot go back to OC league)

     

    We go into limbo if I interpret correctly.. There are a lot of words in this thread.

     

    So, users are still allowed to indicate whether they are pro oc or xoc. If a user selects 'pro oc', it gives him the right to start a competition team and competite in the Pro OC Cup. If he doesn't want to compete, he will just not be in a ranking, but of course his submissions will still show up in the database. Just not part of a league. For someone who is now in Pro OC, but wants to go back to the XOC, that's also possible.

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    To be honest, I am not really fussed, but as a hwbot user of many years, It will be strange not to be part of any league. I would like to see the normal pro league maintained somehow.

    R5: Pro OC V2 - Pro OC Cup introduction

    in HWBOT Rev.5

    Posted

    I agree with SOF and Phil. I will not be competing in a competition but I still like to be ranked, even if I am towards the back in my case.

     

    I joined the Pro league because I got gear as a reviewer, and now I work for MSI. Though I have not used ln2 in over a year and rarely even use my cascade these days.

     

    I still bench though, so would someone like me be better off going back to the OC league? Or does the fact that I get gear restrict me to the pro?

    MSI GTX 680 Lightning...its here

    in Extreme overclocking

    Posted

    Some info straight from Unwinder at Guru3D: http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=4357961&postcount=12

     

    Unfortunately there is a lot of misinformation about upcoming 2.2.3 with Lightning support. I'm wondering why some people enjoy making things up and posting rumors like this:

     

    Unwinder isn't the only programmer, MSI works on afterburner as well. It is their custom version of the riva tuner core, just like EVGA with precision X. Asus GPU tweak, Galaxy OC, Precision x, and afterburner are all based on riva tuner core, every AIB maker creates their own custom version of it. Afterburner is MSI's custom version and they do have people working on it from what i'm told.

     

    MSI Germany posted that a new BIOS and revision of afterburner is coming soon, they hinted monday but did not confirm. It should be coming soon in any case.

     

     

    No, I'm the only programmer working on MSI Afterburner project, it is single man project. And it is physically impossible to modify anything but databases from MSI side because I own source code by the contract. The same applies to Precision and Precision X. And no, ASUS GPU Tweak and Galaxy OC and not based on RivaTuner core. And finally, no, new version will not be launched on Monday because my Lightning is still in the way. So info about launch on Monday is not true.

    The big MSI MOA 2012 Thread

    in HWBOT Competitions

    Posted

    UPDATE BY HWBOT STAFF

     

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    Alright, let's kick off this year's MSI Master Overclocking Arena! The official PR will be released at the end of this week, but obviously we'll leak the info a little early.

     

    Here's what the PR says, scroll down for more practical info:

    Celebrating its 5th anniversary, MSI’s Master Overclocking Arena (MOA) joins the most stable Military Class III components with record-breaking overclocking performance. Themed “Steel World”, MSI has forged the first evolution starting with the American Regional Qualifiers on the world-class overclocking community website HWBOT.org on April 13, 2012!

     

    The American Regional Qualifiers this year consist of three stages: 3DMark11, 3DMark03 and SuperPI 32M. Each with a different point scheme. There will be no model limitation on MSI mainboards and graphics cards, however entries are limited to single CPU and GPU setups. A cut-off elimination will be applied on May 4th (75% of the contest period) after which the qualifiers will continue with only the best 15 overall participants. At the end of competition on May 10th, the top three winners are qualified as MOA representative of the Americas. They are free to choose another friend to team up with and have the chance to continue their journey to the MSI Master Overclocking Arena Grand Final!

     

    Winner Awards:

     

    • 1st: MOA 2012 Grand Final tickets to Taiwan
    • 2nd: MOA 2012 Grand Final tickets to Taiwan
    • 3rd: MOA 2012 Grand Final tickets to Taiwan
    • 4th: MSI Mainboard Z77A-GD80*1
    • 5th: MSI Mainboard Z77A-GD65*1
    • Lucky Draw(*2): MSI R7770 Newest Graphics Cards

    Do not hesitate now! Gear up your MSI weapons and let the evolution begins!

     

    More information please refer to

    MOA AM Qualifier- http://hwbot.org/competition/moa_americas_2012 (activates from Apr. 13)

    MOA website- http://msi-moa.com/

    MOA Facebook- http://www.facebook.com/MSIMOA

     

    The Practical Stuff - Online Qualifiers

     

    Alright, so there will be 3 online qualifiers: Americas, EMEA and APAC. They will be running in different time frames and are also a little different in terms of qualification for the Grand Final later this year.

    • Americas: 13/04 - 10/05, best of 3 continue
    • EMEA: 18/05 - 14/06, best of 5 continue
    • APAC: 15/06 - 19/07, best of 4 continue

     

    Fyi, there are no limitations on the amount of teams that can qualify per country. Ie, if the best 3 teams from the Americas qualifier are all from Bolivia, then 3 Bolivian teams will be in the MOA 2012 final.

     

    The Practical Stuff - Benchmark and hardware limitations

     

    As usual, the qualifiers have a couple of benchmarks and hardware limitations. The benchmarks each have a different weight in the calculation (weight applied to point algorithm).

    • 3DMark11: 60 - 43,2 - 38,4 - 36 - 33,6 - 31,2 - 28,8 - 26,4 - 24 - 21,6 - 19,2 - 16,8 - 14,4 - 12 - 9,6 - 7,2 - 4,8 - 2,4 - 0 - 0 - ...
    • 3DMark03: 25 - 18 - 16 - 15 - 14 - 13 - 12 - 11 - 10 - 9 - 8 - 7 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - ...
    • SuperPI 32M: 15 - 10,8 - 9,6 - 9 - 8,4 - 7,8 - 7,2 - 6,6 - 6 - 5,4 - 4,8 - 4,2 - 3,6 - 3 - 2,4 - 1,8 - 1,2 - 0,6 - 0 - 0 - ...

     

    Fairly straight forward.

     

    As for the hardware limitations:

     

    • single CPU videocard
    • single GPU videocard
    • only MSI mainboards
    • only MSI graphics cards
    • no ES samples allowed, only retail
    • hardware used must be released before the start of the competition (note: commercial NDA, not media NDA!)
    • the usage of Virtu MVP is not allowed

     

    Since Ivy Bridge will launch at the end of April (29th according to the rumours), they are not eligible for the Americas qualifier. For the EMEA and APAC qualifiers, they will be allowed.

     

    The Practical Stuff - Get Lost You Sandbagger!

     

    We all know how online competitions usually work, so for the MOA 2012 we will implement an elemination cut to force those annoying sandbaggers to play their cards a little earlier in the game. The elimination will take place after 75% of the competition (we'll provide exact date, time, timezone) and will only allow the 15 best overall ranked to continue submitting. If you don't make the top-15 cut, you will no longer be allowed to submit in the rest of the competition.

     

    Note that the scores of the eliminated participants are still valid for the competition. So, if someone only submits the highest SuperPI-32M score and gets eliminated, you'll still have to beat that score to get the 15 points.

     

    That's all for now, more info to follow.

     

    Good luck :celebration:

     

    // ORIGINAL FIRST POST //

     

    Almost time for a new thread :D

     

    Confirmation of the 2012 edition

     

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/MOA/127725360583064

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