Eeky NoX Posted May 23, 2013 Posted May 23, 2013 Hye all, I start this new thread to regroup all infos we could have on MSI GTX 560Ti 448cores card. Mods, bioses, issues and so on... Feel free to post all you know or questions you have on this card. In advance, thank you. BR, EeKy Quote
xxbassplayerxx Posted May 23, 2013 Posted May 23, 2013 Here's the VID mod I worked up. I have not tried it (nor do I have the card). I went off of photos and datasheets for similar controllers. Eeky tried it and said they had no luck, but I still have faith! The VID pins are as follows: Pin 54 - VID7 Pin 55 - VID6 Pin 56 - VID5 Pin 57 - VID4 Pin 58 - VID3 Pin 59 - VID2 Pin 60 - VID1 Pin 61 - VID0 These pins on the 1981 are by a double bank of resistors which is how VID is designed. When I refer to the first bank of resistors, I mean the bank closest to the controller (the orientation of the two images is different, so it can get confusing). Here's an image: (Thanks TPU for the original) Assuming these pins are the VID pins, here are the values I got from the images of the 560 above: Pin 54 - VID7 0 1 (Bank 1 Bank 2) Pin 55 - VID6 0 1 Pin 56 - VID5 0 1 Pin 57 - VID4 1 0 Pin 58 - VID3 1 0 Pin 59 - VID2 0 1 Pin 60 - VID1 1 0 Pin 61 - VID0 1 0 Note that the first bank of numbers (the resistors closest to the chip) are the ones called out in the VID table. When one bank contains a resistor, the other will not. The 1 represents where the resistor goes. So the two banks above translate into: 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 (VIDx) 0 0 0 1 1 0 1 1 Quick binary tutorial: 1 - 0000 0001 2 - 0000 0010 3 - 0000 0011 4 - 0000 0100 5 - 0000 0101 6 - 0000 0110 7 - 0000 0111 8 - 0000 1000 Referring to the uPI datasheet attached, you can see that our number (0001 1011) corresponds to a Voffset of 168.75mV. If you measure the voltage that the controller is providing the GPU, you can use this to determine the reference voltage (Vref) for the controller (the voltage upon which all of the VID adjustments are based). Vref = vGPU - Voffset For example, if the vGPU is 1.20V, the reference voltage for the controller is 1.20V - 0.16875V = 1.03125V. Knowing this reference voltage, assume we want a vGPU of 1.50V. To find the Voffset, we would do 1.50V - 1.03125V = 0.46875V = 468.75mV. Looking to our tables, this means we need a VID configuration of 0100 1011. So you want to perform this mod? Here's what you need to do: Note the stock voltage (under load) of your GPU in Windows. If software voltage monitoring is not available, measure the vGPU of your card with a DMM. Look at the VID section (Pins 53-60) on the card and write down the first bank (closest to the controller). Use a 1 for a resistor and a 0 for no resistor. Once you have your 8-digit binary number, compare this to the VID table. Find the Voffset that your binary number corresponds to and subtract this from your vGPU. This will give you the reference voltage for the controller. Once you know how much voltage you want, subtract the Vref from your goal. This will give you the Voffset. Look to the tables to determine what binary you need and make the modification to the card (move the resistors)! To simplify the experimental process of trying different VID configurations, it may be wise to device a switching configuration. I would recommend using 8 single pole dual throw (SPDT) switches (example). This allows one input and switches between two outputs. One output would connect to a +5V source and the other output would connect to GND. You would have the circuit below. It allows you to use one resistor and use a SPDT switch to connect it to either +5V or GND. When connected to the +5V source, this corresponds to a logical 1. When connected to GND, it corresponds to a logical 0. I believe the resistors are 10kΩ, but measure to be sure. uPI VID Offset Chart Quote
Maedhros Posted May 23, 2013 Posted May 23, 2013 Hi guys, I'm the personal assistant of Mister Eeky, a.k.a his s*x slave. Thanks to Tolsty post, I found the vmod and I share it here. Sorry for the bad quality of the picture, took it with an iphone. Pin 8 of uP1981A is linked to the capacitor C1067. Fully fonctionnal for me Quote
CL3P20 Posted May 24, 2013 Posted May 24, 2013 more info for mods on the IC here-> http://www.overclock.net/t/1009397/msi-6950-tfiii-pe-oc-testing-w-cl3p20/40_40#post_14394941 ..its same IC as 6950 PE/OC and GTX570 PE/OC.. http://www.overclock.net/t/1203434/msi-gtx570-tfiii-pe-hardmod/0_40#post_16342483 **Per Ch. OCP and total OCP brought solid gains to both 6950 and 570.. seems circuits were a bit current limited even at stock clocks. Make sure your PCB does not have current shunts though.. as these will require additional mods to surpass amperage limitations. Quote
zzolio Posted May 27, 2013 Posted May 27, 2013 N560Ti-448-12D5 unlock voltage in bios to 1.21 V http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iiJVcHkWPk I had OCP at 1.2 V 1100 MHz Vmods measuring points Vcore Vmem Vpll OCP VID mod if you use VID6 then the Vcore is 1.4 V set the voltage down to 0.913 V with software then the Vcore is 1.3 V load Now you can change the voltage from 1.3 V to +1.5 V all mods works on my card all mods are made at your own risk Quote
Eeky NoX Posted May 27, 2013 Author Posted May 27, 2013 (edited) all mods are made at your own risk Yup beware of jumping caps Thank you Zzolio Unfortunatly not tested mine under cascade saturday... I give up this time but if my team mate manage to qualify we'll be back!! And of course if not I will for hardware too Edited May 28, 2013 by Eeky NoX Quote
CL3P20 Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 @ zzolio - what is your +12v input reading at under load - as measured at the PCI-E input? *nice job on the mods btw! I will be modding the same, except without VID [do not think VID benefits this design, by moving OCP/ILIM as VID increases]. You mentioned you are getting OCP still .. or not? Quote
zzolio Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 I had only had OCP before I made the mod no problems after Quote
T0lsty Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 any news about special bioses ? cb/cbb mod? try my card yesterday with proper thermalpaste and ln2 pot : cb -60 /cbb -50.. Quote
T0lsty Posted July 22, 2013 Posted July 22, 2013 N560Ti-448-12D5 Vmods OCP all mods works on my card all mods are made at your own risk did you short both point when you remove 2 resistors? or just one that shown on your pic ? because datasheet says: to disable OCP short ilim pin to rosc pin . Quote
T0lsty Posted July 22, 2013 Posted July 22, 2013 have you found a ref card? tnx yes, I had a ref card. will try it in few days .. Quote
T0lsty Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 1.4 V for ref board is too much)) i hope only mosfets burned .. cause i dont want to buy one more piece of 5h1t Quote
zzolio Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 my card did not die of 1.4 and 1.45 vrm shut down due to heat Quote
zzolio Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 I do they get hot as hell and CB i cant boot if I dice on vrm Quote
The Mutt Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 Yeah, same here. First time on dice with this card I had only a normal 120mm fan against the VRM area and after 5-10min it smelled of burned rubber from the elastic eraser and I could not go higher than 1055mhz core, with Delta 220cfm fan 1141mhz was possible. So You probably need heatsinks on the VRM stuff. Quote
CL3P20 Posted July 28, 2013 Posted July 28, 2013 *make sure +12v isnt dipping too much either.. even -.05v low makes huge difference in current/strain on inductors and fets at full load.. Anyone added +12v capacitance to PCB yet? Quote
T0lsty Posted July 29, 2013 Posted July 29, 2013 1.4 V for ref board is too much)) i hope only mosfets burned .. cause i dont want to buy one more piece of 5h1t card didnt survive.. gpu is dead. ordered a new one. Quote
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