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come on massman you and I both know when tom's and anand's and maybe TPU/TT/HH give an award it shows up on a box somewhere, it becomes good advertising for both the site and the manufacturer. Manufacturer says look they approve, and the site probably gets more ads. I mean even GC-Extreme has TPU review stating on the back! haha We should just assume big sites are mostly BS, and sometimes the big sites writer's aren't in control of the award or the score, or maybe fully aware, maybe sometimes the editor puts up an award the writer didn't approve of, but is good for site business. But seriously the lack of knowledge is scary, If I goto Tom's motherboard review and ask him to point out which is the high-side MOSFET and which is the low side mosfet in the VRM I bet you $1000 he would get it wrong just because he has no idea how the VRM functions and what to look for. Id even give him a DMM and allow him to back trace the connections and I bet he'd get it wrong. Then the issue is if you can't figure out the components of the VRM, the limit parts of the VRM on a motherboard, what f*cking business do you have reviewing the product? what are you going to benchmark a f*cking motherboard? Really who gives a flying f*ck? A BIOS update can change EVERYTHING in terms of performance, the only thing a motherboard reviewer needs to report is if there is a performance deficiency that needs to be corrected, I could care less if you went over the hardware in 1 page, and then went over the benchmarks of the board in the next 11 pages like I saw one random site did, i was like WTF dude. Quality does show, and it doesn't show in 1 year, it shows in 3 yeas, we throw away or sell our boards by then(most of us) but most people don't. Dave is a good motherboard reviewer, one of the few I actually read his reviews sometimes to see what he says. i don't like how he tests RMAA(he doesn't disable software effects and match bit rates like I do) but overall he does a decent job. IMO you want to change the way the review industry is then you need to have the review sites and the companies be totally separate entities. Period, of curse that will never happen, so you have forums with normal people who buy the products giving feedback, but even that isn't good b/c most people only post when there are issues and it is in ratio with the amount of product sold.

First try BIOS F5q instead of F5s(F5s changes some traning procedures, you might want to try when it hangs at 15, to shut the system down and start it back up and see if it boots), you might also want to mess with the RTLs did you try Dino's steps for PSC, i remember they were somewhere, i need to find them. Try his timings: in the future also setting XMP will yield XMP timings even if you change the multiplier. If you are going to set the 3rd timnigs like him, then try to set them 1 higher than what Dinos set. Also tWRPDEN = tWR+tWL+4 so it affects the tWR setting in these BIOSes, you can try messing with it and leave tWR setting on auto,. They are going to fix this soon oo. Also you might need this for the older BIOSes:

there is a new BIOS today too F5v should have the same fixes as F5s

damn i want some 3000C12 sticks haha

if you use BIOS f5q, F5m, or one of the other F5 BETAs other than F5s, then you should set all your 3rd timings one timing higher than what you want. also dont set tWRPDEN unless you want to change tWR or something.

increasing uncore will also increases your temperatures, you can try extra vRing for Uncore.

i think its more just superpi to test out staiblity of MFR overclocks, lol I could be wrong tho

actualyl i don't think there is a need, the engineers seem to have renamed all of them to what intel had provided, check the latest BIOS.

is all you do try to get me banned? lol, have fun with your M6G, i am sure youll make WRs lol

i don't get it is ffs suppose dto be can't find any f*cking files?

just dont use the exta 4 pin

seasonic or ernmax or others. I use a thermaltake 1475W it works fine, AX1200 works fine, some XFX i have also works fine, even a coolermaster 450W i bought as a backup works fine. Also no you do not need the extra 4-pin VRM power plug, you can push 800W+ through one of those(not in theory but in practice as the UP7 demo did 2KW and they have 2x8pin) even though they are only rated somthing like 400W or 600W i forget.

yea will do soon

tRDRD is tRRSR BTW i sat there for hours and figured out which ones were which, none are named the sames. and yes they are aware of the issue with the 3rds, it is funny only you noticed.

haha thanks I did this on BIOS F5q too, just change up some volts, i can boot at 199.4 as well and it is surprisingly stable enough to install programs and such, and i did my best to cool the PCH but i really messed up making a makeshift PCH pot with tin foil and tape... lol. Maybe i will use a waterblock or something or use the pot on the pCH and the air cooler on the CPU hahaha, as cooling the CPU with LN2 only helped me gain 1.2mhz, but i think cooling the PCH will help more.

happy 4th!!!!! nice to have the American flag for z87 blck top score on the 4th

it could be, but most likely not since some BIOSes go to 100 and some don't, but it might be common on Z87 boards, i see it on the M6E as well. But when i asked GBT why they don't set 100.00 they said marketing and for stability, with Z77 they set it high and got called out on it for more than 1 reason.

marketing reasons, with Z77 GBT got into hot water b/c their BCLK was over 100, sometimes even to 101+ by default, so they set 99.8 to be safe so media wouldn't say GBT is auto OCing to gain a few point sin benchmarks(which shouldn't be run anyway on motherboards to judge performance, they should only be run to make sure the board doesn't lack in anything). But some BIOSes will set 100 some will set 99.8 on auto.

yea i think over 1.8v will pull the vcore up a tiny bit. GBT uses the adaptive mode for vcore which works well. Also in the GBT BIOS it says 400mv too lol, but i mean come on Intel, you are the guys who said let the extreme guys test out the effect of Uncore frequency on performance we dont' want to test it lol.

how much do you need

nvm i fixed it, i had to set windows power mode to high performance in win7

hey how do i get the turbo frequency not to drop under IDLe? I disable EIST but it still drops? What am I doing wrong?

yea except it isn't in the package. Hey thanks man for the guide.

yea that trick also works with Z77, i think somehow it resets something in the PCH.

few dead here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1402493/is-she-dead-4770k/0_20 BTW good thread idea to think. Yea my VID is 1.00v and VIN default is 1.8v, but because of turbo and vdroop on the VIN be default it will be closer to 500mv difference. But I say on Ln2 higher VIN helps hurt the FIVR efficiency and make it warmer and help CB and in general higher VIN helps a bit with stability as well. From my testing every 0.1v extra you increase VIN/VCC delta you have about 1-2W more power loss from the FIVR from the decreased duty cycle. there are sweet spots on every CPU tho. But yea VIn can hurt the CPU, and raise its temperature as well on air. All haswell stuff is a tradeoff between voltages and frequencies, that is what makes it so cool.