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I will not change it, but even if I have Registered Futuremark products, there seems to be a limit regarding the number of public scores on ORB....At one point I must make some scores private in order to make others public

Ok, thank you. I got used to validate all my results on the ORB, so I forgot which is mandatory and which not

So only global TOP20 requires ORB link, not for each graphics card TOP20?

Well, I am not sure that I am right, but an ORB link is much more powerful and doubt free then a screenshot, so an ORB link should be enough, no?

ESC does the trick, so there is no problem

Good idea, make a poll....The only problem is that very few will vote, like it was with the Vantage Poll

This sound pretty fine by me, that would put an end to HW sharing discussion. Problem is that teams with more TOP o/c-ers will have a big disadvantage....

Well, I guess we'll finish with the off topic then Predator...man..if I would tell you about this everyone would like to move here, no?

Sweden...like that makes a difference to me....Sweden is a country with a very low standard of living and poor people...especially compared to rich Romania where dogs have quad-cores on their backs and money grow on trees, no?...I suppose some fellows living in civilised countries have no clue what Eastern Europe is about... As I was saying, your problem lies somewhere else, and this is not the place to search for a solution....

You have a point there and I know that, but what is the use of sending real benching hardware back, when, in order to be able to overclock it right, you have do to all sorts of physical modifications to those components? If you mod and insulate the card...the company does not have much use for it, no? Unfortunately, as you can see from all these threads...it...does fail to often... I totally agree with this... Joe has a very strong point and I totally agree... Mate...I couldn't care less what you do, we are living in a free world, you can bench LN2, cascade or whatever pleases you. What I do not like is hypocrisy and bragging about benching a cascade, like that does not cost money or does not give you low temps. It makes me laugh my ass off when I see a "poor" western European complaining about money...If the best you can do in a country like Germany to earn money is fix old computers...you have a problem my friend, bigger then the existence of sponsored guys in the overclocking scene

Then you would eventually fail and get fired.... First of all...nothing is free in this world...so for a piece of hardware received, some guys do reviews, tests and so on. That is called work, and it's either paid by a magazine, or a site, or rewarded with a free piece of hardware. Of course, all review-ers should be honest, but It makes my laugh when I see this reaction when 99% of the sites that do reviews are full of marketing bull. Second, do you think that hardware producers care about overclocking? Do you think they give a damn about overclocking and pushing the limits? Some of them do, but those are usually overclockers themselves, but most don't. So why do you think they care now? Because it helps keeping the market share, and it helps them build up their brand. Because nowadays...overclocking sells. Overclocking is just another marketing tool for them. So...giving hardware to overclockers is a must for most hardware producers...It's called direct marketing, and it helps them get directly to the target while spending VERY few funds compared to a normal advertising campaign...Just look at Foxconn BlackOps, Biostar TPower I45, and so on....The best examples of state of the art direct marketing accomplished with the help of overclockers...Funny thing is that Biostar is a great motherboard too, but BlackOps is unfortunately still shaky. But...2-4 months ago everyone would have killed for that board... Third....I know very well how it feels to bench with hardware that you cannot mod, I know how it is to make sacrifices to buy one piece of CPU and get stuck with that, and so on...And then I know how it feels to compete against guys that have it all for free...But I know that they didn't had it for free from the beginning, and that they also had to struggle until they got a name for themselves. So...it might be easier in some countries, might be harder in others, but in the end you have to work a lot to get a sponsorship...So we all have to do that. And just for the record, a cascade costs 10x times more then benching LN2, so I don't see why somebody which has a cascade takes pride in not benching LN2, when it comes to money.... 4th.... I am sorry, where is that written in HWBot rules? I cannot find this paragraph... 5th... I am sick and tired of all this hate, this really has to stop at one point. Now it's fashionable to make HW sharing threads about people that you don't like...this is childish no matter where it comes from. I guess people will always have something against each other, BUT HWBot rules should fix that, by being more clear and specific. There has been talking about this here over and over again but nothing happened. You have all our understanding and support, but at one point all these things that have been a problem for months should be fixed.

I know some of those guys, and I know they live in different cities. I also see that the clocks significant different on those GFX's, so I think that it's either different hardware, or a buy/sell issue. Anyway, when I look at that memories come back..It seems like ages ago

Oh...you guys.....why does this "cheating" issue comes up everytime somebody has a very good score? Isn't this what this is all about? I mean...Let's put it this way....If everybody ordinary things that you can expect...there is no more challenge in o/c. SuperPi 1M can be faked.....so...everybody's score could be cheated, not only some guy's. But I look at this and I am thinking... http://service.futuremark.com/resultComparison.action?compareResultId=9392606&compareResultType=6 This is not a cheat... So...some guys that can get a 2k1 WR, can also get a SuperPi WR in my book

I see the score id deleted but I assume he had 2 x 8800GTX in SLI and it was mismatched as only one

WOW.....that long ago!!! 3 years since it is on the loose and not even a newer version with better anticheat...lol

Yes of course that is true, but also you know when the limit has to be set (scores that were uploaded before 1.5 came on the market are ok I suppose, nothing else was available back then). That's why I said you know better, I don't remember the exact date when Spi 1.5XS was released.

That is not what I wanted, I just wanted mache to understand the rules, because that was not clear for him. Other than that...you know better...

No Frederik, unfortunately I was referring to hardware sharing and making all this game fair for everybody, but I see that after all that talk and suggestions (and you know some can be implemented) nothing has come to that idea, and that makes me sad....we all have talked for nothing, and all the changes I believed in are never going to happen... I guess I am going to build a review site here, to get some free hardware like rest of the people, because I am sick and tired to compete from my own pocket against sponsored guys or hardware review sites that get free hardware. And if a few guys cannot join forces to make it easier (and you know what i am talking about, not for team points, but for the fairness of everybody that contributed having that little score in front of him, not in points) then....what can I say....... Hipro.....I started this thread to ask when new rules are going to be enforced, but it seems that is not going to happen after all. If you want to see my opinion about that read the dedicated thread, I do not have time to post that here again. And yes, that can be done, and we all know that, but the fear that some top dogs will loose their edge and they might not like that makes this impossible to implement... And I also started this thread because i do not appreciate "warnings" like that.... Ah...JMKE....sorry....the bold letters and the attitude misled me....

JMKE.....We are waiting for a new set of rules from HWB that will make that issue fair for everybody, and the suggestion about those are on the forums since months. I will NOT get into a debate about that again, there are dozens of posts regarding that on the threads we had those conversations about, and all the arguments are there. There is also a huge sticky here http://www.hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1473 Last time I looked around there there was supposed to be a new set of rules that was going to make the hardware situation fair for everybody, and you guys also talked about that. Now you are telling me that those rules are not even being discussed by you guys anymore??? I am not saying anything about that score, according to the actual rules it is sharing so it has been removed, no argue about that. Just that I don't like threats like "final warning" regardin a score that is 1 year old....

It is not about cheating here. The .99 is an issue, but there are situation when 1.4 really gives a way better performance, that was the idea, and we all know that. You gave an example in which they are close, but there are many examples in which they are not. However, this was about different benchmark versions used, and that is not ok. But, If they are older than an year they are ok by HWB rules, and I think that that answer mache's question.

We won't go into this conversation again, I hope. Just that "final warning" on a score 1 year older seems a little bit harsh to me....Since a few months we gave some suggestions about a solution to this, and RB said it is going to be implemented in the new rules. So I am asking when those new rules are going to be enforced...Any news about that?

SuperPI 1.5XS was out more then an year ago...and Spi 1.4 REALLY gives you a better score..... Unfortunately if it's older then an year it will not be changed, according to HWB rules...

Hey guys, just wanting to know when new rules will be ready? 'Cause it's really funny when I get a score blocked after almost a year for "hardware sharing", knowing that those new rules should come up any moment now. And I also get a "final warning" message...What's that about when it comes to scores from 1 year ago? So? Any progress with those?

No pure frequencies, but with timings...best for 3-3-3-x, best for 4-4-4-x, best for 5-5-5-x

Oh YEAH