Antinomy

Timings are more and more fun )))

Looks like you're out of cache - check with RMMA the amount of actual cache. Might be water conducting the bridges. And why those funny timings?

Nice but you need more skill to beat me

I think I'll stop arguing just at this point. I agree with some of your statements, I disagree with a bigger part but we cleared the current situation and consequences of possible changes from both sides - the positive and negative ones. That's enough for me as I'm not the one making decisions, I just wanted to show the whole picture. I honor you opinion, cheers.

Nice point, but I think you don't get mine. Right now it's worth an unbalanced high amount of points. Your conclusion is false - the way it is now is like splitting VGA cards by models and vendors - usual MSI, MSI Lightning, Asus usual, Asus DC, EVGA, EVGA Superclocked and so on. And this is only for a 7970/680. Same goes for the other GPUs. That's the way MoBo are right now. Just imagine such a situation and your next statement is so naive. Do you realize how many different videocard models from different vendors using same GPU are there? The same applies to systemboards, there won't be much less free/stock points. Some time ago HWBot staff decided to tighten VGA to not differ cards by memory size (only by mem type) meaning all 256/512/1024MB cards with same memory and GPU fall in one category. I think same should be applied here with the same reasons. Or at least slightly less rewarded. And I run obscure hardware so I do know that this: is not quite so since rev. 4. When rev. 3 came out, it hit old school hardware heavily (making benching it useless). And it got fixed in rev. 4 and 5. It's in nice balance with the rest. But motherboards to my opinion are not.

A CPU gives you 41,6-52 depending on SSE/2 support. A board gives you 5.2. That's 8-10 times. But if you take 100 boards and 100 CPUs what is the possibility that you get points at stock with the boards and CPUs? I think about 90% of boards won't be present on Bot and 95% of CPUs will be. Just for example - I don't like the idea that a guy who robs a scrap store and runs 10-20 junk boards outperforms a guy who has found a rare CPU and benched it. OTOH cases with tight competition among boards should be rewarded. The board models I understand your point on E8600 but this is a different case. Feel free to raise it

Lol

Devroush, thank you for clearing. Are you sure, that's how, say world records in sports are counted? Last time I checked it was "first come, first served". A tie didn't mean another man having a world record. You had to break the record to get the prize. Rasparthe, nice point. Suggest an algorithm that treats both cases.

GENiEBEN, I don't want to take all the points. I just see an unbalanced side - take 20PC and it's more likely that the most awarding submissions will be the MoBo ones. Without overclocking. What I want is more points for better overclocking. If your first at stock, it ain't fun. If your #2 among 30 results - you are good, really good. If this result is #3 among all boards with this chipset (and it's a popular one) - you're a hero. But not if you post a stock ECS G31 board result. Recent memory board is a demonstration of my view. Sorry if my opinion hurts your feelings and take it easy

Along with calculation algorithm that makes global points for obscure HW less rewarding will there be a change to MoBo rewards? I mean - a 5.2 HTPP for any obscure MoBo model while there are hundreds of them - that's HW grinding in a more ugly way than rare CPUs/GPUs (these are at least fun). Maybe stack such results on a per-chipset basis like Memory results? This will force members to bench and push the boards to the limit along with more boints for really good results.

Is it really this way? I remember being able to get the gold cup by having a tie with the #1 while my score was newer than the existing. If all that 10 years of development in methods, hints, cooling and software has given you is a tie - you really suck compared to the guy who was able to clock it back in those days. Waza, maxmem weren't familiar to most people back there. I totally agree with Mr.Scott. Many people should be glad Holicho didn't apply HWBot

Very impressive!

It's more the CPU - the fourth CPU on the photo made only around 4000-4050 and no higher. While the other three did over 4500 easily.

~1.65V IIRC Very fast pretest, about 10 minutes to get the score. So I think it can be pushed a bit higher. Survived a 4950 Pifast run.

I'd say even even 3600-3700 is sucky under water. But! Keep it pushing, macsbeach! Try 1:1 with 2-2-2-5.

Works fine for me. :woot: Guess there's a bug with some users.

Intel has a registration on HWBot and ? Oh, I wasn't aware of that

Of course it is my personal opinion just like any others. I'm not playing God here Add shipping costs and cheap goes to non-cheap. But I see your point, subcategories would be the best solution for both. Surf on Ebay for ES, you'll be surprised

der8auer, I agree to Bruce - the "Forbidden items for trading:" could be shrinked to one statement: don't want to see any BIOS reflash services in MoBo section (instead of the actual boards) and/or dozens of SATA cables sales. Or any Apple stuff (not a hater).Anything that can be used to clock for Bot is O.K. And hey, why are ES banned? What if I want to buy an old CPU that was only produced as ES (say, Pentium Pro 133 or Pentium XE 3.0)? Will there be subsections for certain hardware so you don't have to list 20-40 fan sales to find a few MoBo or CPU sales?

nice catch, Bones!

Looks like the search submissions page is broken: http://www.hwbot.org/search/submissions it doesn't filter by date (submitted between).

Devroush then why did my previous get points: http://www.hwbot.org/submission/2327391_ ? I agree to GENiEBEN - it's supposed to get scores to my acc but doesn't count as top15 for my leagues scores. That's the way it always was.

I've got the stupid "Don't want any points" bug. http://www.hwbot.org/submission/2355341_antinomy_superpi___1m_k6_2_533mhz_4min_38sec_781ms If I logout I can see that "Antinomy does not participate in the HWBOT rankings for points. " How did this checkbox get checked in the first way? I didn't check it. Why is it enabled by default despite the checkbox "I do not wish to participate in the HWBOT rankings." in my account is unchecked? That's the first dumb thing. Then I go to my submission, edit it and uncheck the "I don't want to participate in rankings" for this submission. Save changes, recalculate and... nothing. If I logout it shows that the submission still doesn't participate in rankings. I have the not participate enabled by default (better enable the read rules checkbox) and I can't edit it. Can I please have the other way around? Meaning - disabled "not participate" and no way to enable it by editing? Thank you in advance.

Kithylin, you've made a wrong generalization of the idea. There are obsolete tests like Sisoft Sandra once was - they are only for fun, not for points. So go get unique hardware! I've got a dual GPU RageXL and the only similar card is a "common" Rage Fury Maxx (which I also have). Results on it will be unique and I'll get my points when I bench it. Same goes for my Winchip CPU collection - results of only three models are presented on HWBot while I have more. Dead wrong. All my results so far are achieved without phase/LN2. Got beat my fresh K6-2+ 533MHz scores with your 550 and we get talking. http://hwbot.org/submission/2355341_antinomy_superpi___1m_k6_2_533mhz_4min_38sec_781ms http://hwbot.org/submission/2355344_antinomy_pifast_k6_2_533mhz_509.81_sec A hint - my superpi sucks, with common tweaks it should be easy to beat.

I've run 2.0V on air Nice run, Nikolay!