BZ, you are way out of line with your attacks man. I did nothing but post my opinion and you attack by implying my IQ is in the range of mentally retarded.
I'm not going to clutter up yet another page with bickering so I'll just respond to your points and begone.
Yes, you are talking generally because you're talking about introducing a rule that affects the whole of HWBot, not just those chips. Sure, ES samples might be better than retail for those two chips...ok. Why eliminate ES as a whole because of that?
How about finding an ES i7 920 from when they came out that beats a good retail D0? Top ten SuperPi 1M runs with a 920 are all D0. ES != better than retail all the time.
Really? Just because someone disagrees with your premise doesn't mean they are less intelligent than you. I fully understand what you're saying, but disagree with you. If everyone agreed, the world would be a boring place. Why can't we disagree without devolving into such vitriol.
Yes, retail binning is harder but not impossible or even improbable. It will replace ES binning if ES are disallowed, guaranteed. It will just take a little more time to get there.
I'm not excluding anyone and there are lots of overclockers that are far from noobs that aren't in the top ten or the top 100 or 1,000.
Perhaps the top three may not win at live events because they need more time to do what they do best - tweak the crap out of their OS / hardware. For some it takes days to get the top overclock, which is not possible at live events. Not to mention there's no binning at live events - you compete with what you get, which might be less than stellar.
But you know all of this, or at least you should.
It's a slippery slope you're sliding down, that's all I'm saying.