Do we allow BGA1440 to LGA1151 ES CPU on the bot ? (QNCT, QQLT, QQLS, QTJ2, QTJ1)

TheQuentincc · January 1, 2021

Hi, there is some LGA1151 cpu on Aliexpress/Taobao that are ES laptop/BGA CPU soldered into an interposer that can be used in LGA1151 chipset 100-300, these are a lot cheaper than real LGA1151 cpu, I own one of them which is the "QQLS" model, an 8/16 unlocked that I got for less than 150€ (less than half the price of the 9900k...), there is a list of these cpu (other one are not ES and just laptop to desktop chip) :

QNCT - 6 core die, 6/12 active, locked multiplier, "8th gen", U0 rev, similar to 8750H/8850H (I don't know their operating frequencies), + 4 bin oc up to 6 cores at 3.3GHz

QQLT - 8 core die, 6/12 active, unlocked multiplier, "9th gen", P0 rev, similar to nothing (nothing is P0 and 6/12), cannot be a 8950HK because it's a 6/12 die

QQLS - 8 core die, 8/16 active, unlocked multiplier, "9th gen", P0 rev, similar to 9900K (desktop), could not find P0 unlocked laptop chip, could be a 9980HK ES

QTJ2 - 8 core die, 6/12 active, locked multiplier, "10th gen", R0 rev, similar to 9750H/9850H (I don't know their operating frequencies), oc up to 6 cores at 4.0GHz

QTJ1 - 8 core die, 8/16 active, unlocked multiplier, "10th gen", R0 rev, similar to 9980HK or 9900K (desktop)

Note that most of these cpu can't pass DDR4 3000MHz and timings cannot be push as low as on desktop cpu (I'm walling at 2933MHz cas 16 with b-die)

The issue is, as far as I know, these cpu are detected by CPU-Z as this (my QQLS) :

Giving this, there is no way to know which cpu they are matching with, also it looks like CPU-Z is having a hard time reporting memory/uncore frequency as well as timings (might be only my case that might be because of a broken bios on my Asus Z370-F Gaming).

From my point of view, only the QQLT should not be benched on hwbot since we can't find any similar cpu (or we could say it's similar to 8700k, just to allow people benching them), for QNCT and QTJ2 it depend if their similar laptop counterpart can match their frequencies (just to be fair against them, if yes they should be allowed), for the QQLS and QTJ1 we need to discuss about which cpu they most likely match.

As far as I know, benching ES cpu with point enabled is only possible by everyone (except Elite) if it's not a current gen ES cpu and if it's not for a competition.

So are these cpu allowed on hwbot and if so which cpu do we associate them ?

(please say yes so I can bench my GPU and get rid of them hehe)

Edited January 2, 2021 by TheQuentincc

bolc · January 2, 2021

These versions can be differentiated using hwinfo, so might be a good idea to add a hwinfo screen if these become allowed
https://pic1.zhimg.com/50/v2-401ac54abb33c679d7fdeb830db371a5_hd.jpg?source=1940ef5c

Edited January 2, 2021 by bolc

Strunkenbold · January 3, 2021

All hardware is allowed to to compete in our rankings. In general, you would just look up CPU-World to see if these are known S-Spec codes for any production processors and then submit in that category. These CPUs however don't seem to be in their database, CPU-Z also fails to detect them and they are so special that I think we just add individual categories to our db. Even though some might be matched to something knowed, I just went ahead and created categories for the CPUs you mentioned:

https://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/qqlt_es/

https://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/qqls_es/

https://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/qnct_es/

https://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/qtj1_es/

https://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/qtj2_es/

As always, you have to proof which hardware youre using. So either you provide photo verification or use hwinfo in case it reports correct info.