maxine Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Are this valid values (submited after 1-1-2008) with no screenshot and only checksum?. I can submit valid checksums with other versions (fastest than 1.55), so really think screenshot with CPUZ (cpu and mem) must be mandatory!!!!. Examples of doubt submissions: http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=819944 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=758069 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Yeah, it's about time one needs to have a screenie to be able to submit. There are just too many flaws with the online submission system. Scores in wrong ranking, no possibility to view system details and now this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxine Posted February 16, 2009 Author Share Posted February 16, 2009 I think Massman or other hwbot admin must block all submisions after 1-1-2008 that haven´t screenshot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 No. read the rules. Any online wPrime 32M submission must comply to the following rules: * You must use the wPrime v1.55 version * choose 32M calculation * have a valid screenshot (see example below): clearly show wPrime time, processor in CPU-Z, unless you submitted using the online submission function of wPrime * use the online submission function of wPrime, with a valid checksum, for top 20 scores I agree, you can't block scores that were valid at the time of posting. But what you CAN do is change the rules so you need a screenie from now on! Take a look at this one: http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=821928 The ONLY way you can find out if this is a Brisbane, Windsor or the UNRELEASED and VERY, VERY rare Toledo version is to look at his other submissions and note that there is an x2 5000+ Brisbane core submission or two there. If this user would have 500 submissions, it would be impossible to correct this result. And this is far from the only case, there are alot of submissions for wprime in the x2 4000+ Toledo category. No other scores are in that category. Why? because it doesn't exist;) Still, something makes hwbot think wprime ran one of those non-existant chips. wPrime is a great app, but the issues make the online submission stuff useless;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71proste Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 another bigger issue is that people can bench with Wprime 2.00, submit to hwbot and then remove verification link we need a solution to this in very near future that´s the biggest issue so far I think.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1ch Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Hwbot, please can you sort this out. I raised this with Massman via PM as long ago as 21st January in order to try and avoid it being public, but nothing has been done. Now it is public, I am sure there are wprime 2.0 scores being submitted by dishonest people that would want to cheat without being caught. This situation was completely avoidable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Hwbot, please can you sort this out. I raised this with Massman via PM as long ago as 21st January in order to try and avoid it being public, but nothing has been done. Now it is public, I am sure there are wprime 2.0 scores being submitted by dishonest people that would want to cheat without being caught. This situation was completely avoidable. Most people who submit scores like this probably don't know they used an "illegal" version. In 99% of the cases, the newest version is the one you should use. But not in this case;) I just wonder what to do with the scores that seem too good for the clocks, but only have an online submission. Blocking them because they have too high efficiency is one option, but without proof it's not that easy, perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I'm not capable of submitting scores using your method, R1ch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1ch Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I'm not capable of submitting scores using your method, R1ch I can, and no doubt other people can. I would offer to take screenshots for each step but it isn't difficult. jmke, who is a moderator here on hwbot has said that he knows it can be done - could you not speak with him and come to a decision? I can not understand why the rules haven't changed yet. Forgive me for starting to bang on about it, but people are getting away with submitting wprime 2.0 scores! Make the decision to enforce screenshots now, before wprime becomes a complete farce (pre 1.55/1.55/online 2.0). Please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Wprime needs to submit version string when submitting to HWbot, that change needs to come from WPrime, we can't do anything about that You can ask for a screenie;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 no good; Wprime author needs to change his code and not deploy/make available unapproved software which submits directly to HWBot. previously he added a version string (v1.43 etc) and from v1.5x it was gone, and v2.0 doesn't do it either; it should be required. Is there a version string in v1.55? If so, maybe you can block scoreswith NO string that way:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I don't like this... i tried v2.00 on my dual-Opty 856 server last night, and v2.00 was about a second faster than 1.55... too much to compete if the #1 score is maxed out, but not enough to ban a score if it's used:( On a side note... I noticed alot of the good wprime scores were done in vista, but when I tried Server 2008 myself my score was about the same as on XP Pro lol. What kind of crazy tweak do people use that shaves off a second or two just like that? (or did i disable a process that speeds up things quite bit, perhaps..?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1ch Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 You can ask for a screenie;) Here here. If wprime 2.0 had been made to submit with a version number in the string, then we wouldn't have a problem. As they didn't, and we now have a version of wprime that can 'get around' the hwbot rules, the rules need to be changed. Even if hwbot release a version 2.1, there's still 2.0. If they re-released 2.0, then people would just download un-official mirrors of the 1st 2.0. All that is future thinking though...what about situation today. Why should it be up to wPrime authors when a screenshot is 100% sufficient proof? If you're suggesting a screenshot isn't enough proof, then we've got a big problem with a lot of scores. The rules NEED to be changed, now. If I'm out of order then I hope a hwbot admin will PM me with a good reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1ch Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Bump?!?! Why is wprime 2.0 still allowed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westsider Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 i thought only 1.55 can submit scores but online submission make severything easy every internetcafe i go i bench wprime and get some scores from there no need of time,screen or something like that i think its great i would be glad if super pi and pifast could do the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 It's not 'still' allowed as it has never been allowed before . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 (edited) It's not 'still' allowed as it has never been allowed before . Can't any of you just add these two lines to the wprime submission pages: "From today, 8 march 2009, a screenshot of wprime is now required - any submissions with only a wprime link may be blocked if they're reported" Seriously, this cheat is so simple and so hard to discover it's a MUST to get it fixed NOW!!! All it takes is to add those words, quite simp,e actually. Btw, if I start submitting scores by using the online submission system, will I be prone to suspicion because of my whining about wprime? Just asking, as I'm a bit tired of making screenies anyway If I could submit scores directly it would be better. Edited March 8, 2009 by knopflerbruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1ch Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 "From today, 8 march 2009, a screenshot of wprime is now required - any submissions with only a wprime link may be blocked if they're reported" Seriously, this cheat is so simple and so hard to discover it's a MUST to get it fixed NOW!!! All it takes is to add those words, quite simp,e actually. Here here. Should actually be 21st January, which was when I first reported it to hwbot... Please explain why this is taking so long to sort out, wprime is a joke now with future results having to compete against pre-1.55 scores AND 2.0 scores now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1ch Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Silence. Two months of potential wPrime 2.0 results. Great. Please. This is so frustrating as it's such a simple fix! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anvil Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Hi, I already asked to give a screenshot with the score of Wprime a long time ago (november 2008)... http://www.hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2374 So this took more time than you thought R1ch.... I don't know if a screenshot is now part of the rules, but I think the moderation has now to focus on Wprime more than other benchmark. Cheers. anvil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1ch Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 (edited) 6 wprime 2.0 results reported today... So everyone knows, via PM on the 8th, Pushed the thread in the crew forums again; it shouldn't be that difficult to make a screenshot mandatory Edited March 13, 2009 by r1ch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1ch Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) 3x wprime 2.0 results reported. 3x suspicious results. http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=834483 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=834390 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=834505 Goodbye wprime credibility. Note: I'm not saying any one of those results are definitely wprime 2.0 results - but there is no way of knowing they're not. Edited March 22, 2009 by r1ch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westsider Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 cant u just deactivate 2.0 validation? 2.0 must have new validation code Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schub97 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 rich,we cant sumbit with link by 1.55! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSA Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 i was so angry when i saw this thread in the morning because r1ch said that we cheat or use some illegal version ! but after that i think the best way is test again with screen shot ! so dear you could see now with screen shot , OK ? : http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=834803 Thanks Shahryar_NEO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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