Matti OC Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 sorry, Celeron is not Pentium II http://ark.intel.com/de/products/42097/Intel-Celeron-Processor-466-MHz-128K-Cache-66-MHz-FSB Mendocino[bearbeiten] Celeron mit 333 MHz (Mendocino) - Oberseite Celeron mit 333 MHz (Mendocino) - Unterseite L1-Cache: 16 + 16 KiB (Daten + Instruktionen) L2-Cache: 128 KiB mit Prozessortakt MMX Sockel 370 PPGA, GTL+ mit 66 MHz FSB Kernspannung (VCore): 2,0 V Verlustleistung (TDP): 17,8–28,3 W Erscheinungsdatum: 1999 Fertigungstechnik: 250 nm Die-Größe: 154 mm² bei 19,2 Millionen Transistoren Taktraten: 300 bis 533 MHz 300 MHz 333 MHz 366 MHz 400 MHz 433 MHz 466 MHz 500 MHz 533 MHz PII =Klamath / Deschutes /Tonga http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Pentium_II Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havli Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Well, Celeron Mendocino is part of the PII family. It is allowed to use it in this stage - http://forum.hwbot.org/showpost.php?p=292635&postcount=32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matti OC Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share Posted February 4, 2014 http://www.intel.com/design/pentiumii/prodbref/ Cache Size (K) SPECint*95 SPECfp*95 Intel Media Benchmark iCOMP* index 2.0 233 (1) 512 9.38 8.17 364.13 267 266 (1) 512 10.7 8.17 412.31 303 300 (1) 512 11.9 8.82 459.08 332 333 (1) 512 13.0 9.55 498.79 366 350 (1) 512 13.9 11.20 534.61 386 400 (1) 512 15.8 12.40 601.10 440 450 (1) 512 17.2 12.90 658.41 483 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matti OC Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share Posted February 4, 2014 your CPU is not a Pentium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Scott Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Pentium-II/index.html Gray area. Celerons are not Pentium II's but in the same family. The only PII based Celerons, near as I can tell, would be the Covington's and Mendocino's. I hope it goes your way though Matti. Edited February 4, 2014 by Mr.Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havli Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 No it isn't. However PII-based Celeron is on the list of allowed CPUs http://hwbot.org/hardware/processors#key=intel_pentium_2 (approved by Massman) So I don't see a problem here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matti OC Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share Posted February 4, 2014 Celeron has no business with the Pentium, as he has no cache 512 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havli Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Pentium-II/index.html Gray area. Celerons are not Pentium II's but in the same family. The only PII based Celerons, near as I can tell, would be the Covington's and Mendocino's. I hope it goes your way though Matti. Covington is PII Deschutes without L2 cache. Mendocino is based od the same design, but instead od external half-speed 512KB L2 cache there is 128KB on-die full-speed. Celeron has exactly the same architecture (P6) and instructions (X86, X87, MMX) as the "full PII" has. All Covington and Mendocino Celerons are on the list of CPUs suitable for this compettion. I even asked explicitly whether is ok to use Celeron and the answer from Massman was "yes". No grey area here. Celeron has no business with the Pentium, as he has no cache 512 Cache size doesnt really matter. How about mobile PII Dixon with 256KB on-die full-speed L2 cache? Thats almost the same CPU as Celeron Mendocino... only cache is twice as big. All these CPUs belong to the Pentium II family, like it or not. Anyway, in wprime cache has very little impact on score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Scott Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) Covington is PII Deschutes without L2 cache. Mendocino is based od the same design, but instead od external half-speed 512KB L2 cache there is 128KB on-die full-speed. Celeron has exactly the same architecture (P6) and instructions (X86, X87, MMX) as the "full PII" has. All Covington and Mendocino Celerons are on the list of CPUs suitable for this compettion. I even asked explicitly whether is ok to use Celeron and the answer from Massman was "yes". No grey area here. Cache size doesnt really matter. How about mobile PII Dixon with 256KB on-die full-speed L2 cache? Thats almost the same CPU as Celeron Mendocino... only cache is twice as big. All these CPUs belong to the Pentium II family, like it or not. Anyway, in wprime cache has very little impact on score. Didn't need a lesson bro. I know all that. I have slockets and Mendocino's. I'll go that route if need be. Edited February 5, 2014 by Mr.Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObscureParadox_3XS Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Although I see the issue here, it is in the rules so I guess there is nothing we can do about it, although I agree Celeron isn't P2. Phenom II X4 840 is another CPU I argue about too, Phenom in the name, AMD calls it that but realistically it is just a highly clocked Athlon CPU, so is it a Phenom or not because we wouldn't call an Athlon II x4 the same as a Phenom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolik Oc Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Pentium 2 celeron is ONLY in Slot 1 cartridge! The socket 370 is a pentium 3 celeron! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolik Oc Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Mendocino architecture is the evolution of intel, (not based of P2 and is NOT a p2 family), the real celeron is the covington core, WITHOUT L2 cache! Mendocino IS NOT based on PII and have L2 integrated cache at full speed frequency, PII have external chips cache at 1/2 clock frequency!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havli Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) Wrong... Celeron Mendocino (PPGA 370) - PII Deschutes based, 250nm, 128KB L2, no SSE. This is the one I use, see the screenshot. Celeron Coppermine (FCPGA 370) - PIII Coppermine based, 180nm, 128KB L2, SSE. Not allowed here. Celeron Tualatin (FCPGA2 370) - PIII Tualatin based, 130nm, 256KB L2, SSE. Not allowed here. //edit: Mendocino IS NOT based on PII and have L2 integrated cache at full speed frequency, PII have external chips cache at 1/2 clock frequency!!! Sorry, wrong again. http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Pentium-II/Intel-Mobile%20Pentium%20II%20366%20-%20KP80524KX366256.html Cache location and speed doesn't change architecture of CPU. Another example is PII Xeon - it has external full-speed L2 cache.... and still is member of PII family. http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Pentium-II/Intel-Pentium%20II%20Xeon%20450%20-%2080523KX4501M%20%28BX80523KX4501M%29.html Edited February 5, 2014 by havli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolik Oc Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Ok, than, everybody's allowed to use dual 533@100=800 or over? Nice, but in this mode, make a mendo-contest, not a PII contest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Scott Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Ok, than, everybody's allowed to use dual 533@100=800 or over? Nice, but in this mode, make a mendo-contest, not a PII contest If that's what it takes, so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Antinomy Posted February 5, 2014 Crew Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) Diabolik Oc, Mendocino's don't use P2 core but they are P2 family, believe it or not. Mendocino is one of the easiest but it's definitely not the best choice for this contest. Mr.Scott, the crew has already made a point on this, nothing to discuss. The comp page clearly says "P2 family", not "P2 only". Nice score havli, keep pushing old school! Edited February 5, 2014 by Antinomy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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