marco.is.not.80
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Ya, I think you're right... I'm trippin'. :-)
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No Superposition link required?
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I fucking hate this benchmark. All voodoo.
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Money sent. ?
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5 hours ago, keeph8n said:
I'm in as well Big Block. Let me know if Marco falls through.......
I sent him a PM but I suspect he is sleeping ?
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6 hours ago, Leeghoofd said:
nope I removed for Div 1 the speed limits, rest has adapted clocks versus previous rounds
thank you for clarification ?
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Dual Core Big Block!??! I'm in! PM'd. ?
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I posted this on the competition page but the link to this thread is broken so I'm repeating it here so you can see it, LHd:
The last two Div 1s this year had CPU clock limitations imposed on them but I don't see any of the rules stating that's the case for this comp - just want to make sure it wasn't missing and end up having to resubmit scores... Leg?
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So just for clarification before I pull the trigger on this would the following be appropriate? I just want to make sure that "4 threads" is acceptable:
https://www.newegg.com/core-i3-7th-gen-intel-core-i3-7350k/p/N82E16819117772
Thanks Leeg.
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2 physical cores and 4 logical cores, right?
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Let's dooooeeet!
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7 hours ago, MrGenius said:
@ozzie ?
@avalanche My points being...a free benchmark is better than a paid benchmark. If for no other reason...because it's free. And the point of doing anything for anyone...for free...is a thing called altruism(or just plain old generosity). It might be nice to get paid for every little thing you did that benefitted someone besides yourself. But that's a pretty shitty world to live in IMO. Case closed.
What I can tell you is this. A free benchrmark that is exploitable and can not be trusted (which essentially makes it useless for competition and trending) is far worse than a benchmark that might have required a small fee.
Still, this is not what is happening here - not even close - and in fact, once Benchmate becomes more widely used at the Bot you'll be using it for free because no one is obligated to spend a dime helping with the development of Matt's software. My original post asked the question "why are there are only three people signed up for this project?" You've shared your reason why you won't. What more is there to say?
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3 hours ago, MrGenius said:
Cheat all you want...I'm not paying for benchmarks. Well...that's the general idea anyway. Though I have been known to pay for one or two in the past. I really hate to though. A whole lot more than I hate turning a blind eye to cheaters. So if it comes down to I have to pay to play...just so cheaters can have a more difficult time cheating...I'm out. I've got plenty of better things to spend my money on.
How can you have a name like MrGenius and come away from this with the idea that someone is charging for benchmarks? Please elaborate.
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Wow Ozzie, you know how in the past I've kind of insinuated that your a total dick? I take it all back! ?
The only thing I'd say is that despite your idea being good and one that I'd buy into no problem I still think the first order of the day is to ensure accurate and cohesive benchmarks that can't be easily circumvented with cheating and ensures HWbot's integrity as the authority on all things overclocking. After that I think what you are proposing literally naturally just happens... but maybe I'm just being a naive idealist. Probably...
Actually - hmmm - ya... I am.
Still, it still seems like what Matt is working on should be the first order of the day.
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1 hour ago, keeph8n said:
If there is a way to donate to the bot as well, please send me a link
Here you go sir:
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The more I think of this project the more I am thinking that people like der8auer with his huge subscriber base on YouTube (me being one of them) wouldn't use his platform to give more visibility to Benchmate? When we talk about integrity of the results certainly many of those are world records owned by him?
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Just now, bigblock990 said:
I didn't know Matt had setup a donation page until seeing this thread. Don't have patreon account, so donated via paypal. Thanks for all the hard work Matt!!
Actually, that gives me a lot of hope that maybe I'm overreacting and many just aren't aware there is a way to support the project.
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MT,
Although I don't have any number to back it up my spidey senses tell me otherwise.
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13 minutes ago, Mythical tech said:
I think a lot more people would be willing to do a onetime donation rather than a monthly contribution. I would be willing to donate 10$ one time but I am a student so monthly donations/subscriptions are something that I try and stay away from so I can better manage my finances.
Bless you, man - but just like George you aren't in the demographic I'm talking about either. Starving students, people that are financially going through a hard time, those are currently unemployed or out because of some illness - these aren't the people that I'm referring to. If it came across that way then shame on me for being a bad communicator.
BUT... even if those in the categories above were to represent 50% of our community (not even close - but for the sake of argument) that still leaves a huge pool of people that have no excuse.
EDIT: Not saying George is disabled or a starving student either... Obviously he contributes to our community in many ways. In fact, he moderated the last competition I was in. I guess I should also include all the volunteers who already give so much to our community - I'm not talking about them either.
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10 minutes ago, GeorgeStorm said:
Whilst I don't feel Im in the demographic your post is aimed at, just wanted to point out that people might be up for supporting hwbot but not benchmate as they are different things.
You definitely aren't and for the record I support hwbot through an automatic paypal subscription and feel like this community has many people that could easily support both. As Leeg mentions above - many of us are using hardware that is anything but cheap.
Actually, those in our community which have made youtube careers from overclocking should be getting involved and all those guys over at Jays2cents, Gamers Nexus, Linus Tech Tips, etc. should be leading the charge because when they all generate revenue by benchmark trolling each other they are comparing there scores to... who? The Bot. Anyone who is remotely interested in overclocking should care about the Benchmate project because of exactly what I quoted from the website's front page. Or so it seems to me.
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Why the fuck does Matt's Patreon page only have three subscribers for Benchmate development? I'm not talking to the people that donated via other means but certainly that doesn't account for the fact that there is only three.
The amount of moaning and groaning that goes on about cheating and how fucked up the Bot's leaderboards are, etc. etc. and we have someone in our own community is probably becoming if not already THE expert in preserving the integrity of the bechmarks we all use everyday and I'm trying to wrap my head around how he only has three subscribers at this point. With the amount of dollars this community has he should be able to quit his fucking job and work doing Benchmate full time. How depressing.
Remember all the talk about how HWbot should become a pay site, etc.? It was suggested as a way to properly fund the site which serves our community. How hard is it go get 100 people in our community to pledge $10/month.
Matt has no idea I was going to post this and most likely probably wouldn't want me to but I'm feeling pretty emotional right now and don't really care. Just to bang the point home here is what is described on Benchmate's front page:
QuoteBenchmarking is in a horrible spot right now. Even on HWBOT, the world's biggest result database, most results have to be submitted as screenshots and system data is entered manually. Due to undetectable time measurement bugs and easily abusable vulnerabilities of benchmarks, results can not be correctly judged by the inconclusive data available. Additionally, manual submission is error-prone, inconsistent, time consuming and hard to learn while still being far from trustworthy. Although there are better submission methods and online rankings available like 3DMark's Hall of Fame or the Geekbench Browser, they all set their own opaque standards for validation and are only available for their (latest) products.
BenchMate is a unified solution that defines a common standard for all benchmarks. A well-considered minimum of security and timer reliability applicable to all benchmarks, though much more advanced than everything currently available in this industry. Benchmark's are guarded by a combination of a custom driver, two system services and the BenchMate client to protect against access with malicious intent. Furthermore BenchMate injects its own code into the benchmark's process to exchange flawed or vulnerable functionality with reliable alternatives. This is specifically necessary to ensure precise time measurement provided by low-level access to the system's timer hardware. With the same technique BenchMate captures the result before it is sent to the benchmark's user interface and stores it in a secure location. The benchmark executable itself remains untouched throughout the whole process.
Its primary goal is to regain trust in benchmark results. This is not only a problem of competitive benchmarking, but concerns advertised results by vendors, data shown in reviews and randomly posted results around the globe as well. Shouldn’t they be reliable, comparable, available for analysis and repeatable to be trusted?
BenchMate currently focuses on competitive benchmarking and specifically on HWBOT for now. The next steps are to support more benchmarks and build its own platform with lots of data to analyze. Stay tuned!
Those who decide it's not worth contributing some money to this project should never ever complain again on these forums about anything because as I said in the subject - you're all talk.
If I'm coming across as a dick I apologize - I don't really know how else to say what I'm trying to communicate.
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I think I saw this asked somewhere else and now I can't find it and I can't remember either so here goes: Should we still apply the maxmem tweak via msconfig once we have a bootable profile?
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Wanted to add - that what is really impressive here is that you are doing this in dual channel mode. If you look at the top scores everyone does it in single channel. All the world records set by memory manufacturers also quote single channel. See how far you can go in single channel mode - I bet you can get one of those sticks to 5000 no problem.
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nice score man, but I'm pretty sure those screenshots from what looks like a dual monitor won't be accepted - just a heads up. I know the bot can be picky about stuff like that so it's just good to get into the habit of doing screenshots exactly as directed in the rules so you don't do some epic score just to have it rejected. I've had it happen many times - everyone has - figured I'd say something. nice job - good to see you getting the "bot bug" ;-)
Alby Appreciation Thread
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I think Leeg is a fucking hero and if I was genie and could blink whatever reality into existence I wanted I'd have a billion dollars donated to HWbot, put a new office at the top of the biggest and tallest building I could find with a giant flashing sign on the roof that spelled out "the bot" with lasers going everywhere and shit complete with a 1000 square foot office just for Matt to develop Benchmate (because he quit his current job and works full time for the members of hwbot who donate an obscene amount of money for his project) with a video production studio and a 24 hour live feed of - I don't know - fucking Buildzoid with each of his fingers replaced with soldering irons in a room of donated equipment that he is allowed to keep - and this shit is just what I'm coming up with from the top of my head so imagine if I actually put some time into it - but then you know what I'd do?
I'd have a grand opening of the new hwbot world HQ and make Leeg not only the president, CEO and Chairman of the board - but also pronounce him King - yes King of the Bot - because his voluntary service to all of us - including even those who trash him (think about that for a moment) is without equal and therefore he gets the kind of reception like those hobbits at the end of the Lord of the Rings when Aragon turns to them and says "you bow to no one" and then he and a the rest of the people all bowed before them...
... ok I admit it's a little weird but I'm trying to convey just how much I appreciate Albrecht so if you don't get that from what I'm posting go check your pulse.
We love you LeegHoof and from this moment on you will no longer have a little "d" after your name but a giant fucking capital "D". What does that mean? I don't know but it sounds cool and you have my gratitude and appreciation with as much energy as I can convey using letters and numbers. Thank you!