ShrimpBrime
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Yay points for everyone!!!
Sounds like better things to come.
The hardware grinders should have their place too. Good ideas.
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I should come in crying more often eh??!!
Nice job gents. On the right track!!
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8 hours ago, der8auer said:
If I personally had the skill to work on this it would be different already but I simply don't. We hired a coder who has been trying the last weeks and months to work himself into what we have here. It's not easy but we're getting there.
I can absolutely understand everyones frustration but I can promise you that I'm trying everything to make sure HWBOT 2021 will be much better than the previous years.
Thank you sir Der8auer!
Would be nice to have some more frequent updates on the progress, ideas and inspiration from you. That's all we really ask for. Keep us informed, we can live happy with that!
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Lets go a little heavier.
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28 minutes ago, Leeghoofd said:
Too bad I won't live long enough to see you post something positive or constructive. I would ditch that lemon diet as soon as possible....
You got it fella.
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or just bug fixes to what's currently running
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14 hours ago, Luumi said:
Have to encourage him to keep up for some time longer. And we should have some new faces in the moderator team to help with the stuff as things are going forward. Stupid to have Albrecht @Leeghoofd do everything alone...
Unfortunately, Alby leaving isn't my concern. That's HWBot's concern.
Our team's concern is keeping my team optimistic and hopeful.
With a 15 month total wait time for any improvements or just bug fixes to what's currently running, plus the years already before hand, my team is dwindling. Replacing star benchmarking individuals is super difficult as it is. Need to teach recruits from the ground up. And then there's no competition left for the few extreme benchers of the world.
We cannot maintain a team with nothing to look forward to. We cannot maintain a team with diminishing interests to spend hard earned money on this hobby.
We have literally nothing to hold our team together except hopes and dreams at this point. We can only hope an 8 month time line is a fact.
Generally, I say nothing. But I'm tired of reading that my team mates are ready to retire. That's sad coming from Team ranked #2 in the world isn't it?
Competition is gone. Teams are so heavily unbalanced as it is..... On and on we can go of the things of WHY it's not working.
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5 hours ago, Leeghoofd said:
The bot is not stopping, again it has got nothing to do with non profitable biss transactions. Roman's primary goal was to secure the database. Mission accomplished by him and Eike.
Next goal is to improve the lackluster aged coding, which will be the toughest thing to achieve, mainly thanks to the overaged Java version and not receiving proper access to the coding
From there on improvements and simplification to the points algorythm, interface,... but that will be 2021 projects without a doubt...
I honestly wished we already had a 2020 front end and points for everyone, bye bye complex esports related algorythms that hardly anyone can understand, but 8 months down the road we are about to shift into first gear....
8 more months...
Can you define first gear? What exactly is the phase 1 plan?
Why does the public remain in the dark?
Why can't we fix the current bugs now? That's 15 months from OP to first gear. Let the issues just keep piling?
We're benching in the dark over here. Just want you to know and acknowledge that. (To whom it may concern)
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5 hours ago, TASOS said:
Roman
It's time to take action.
Too many problems occured the last couple of months.
You must show signs of life.
Regular Hwbot Users , see only ONE person running like a rabbit from one place to an other , trying to do everything in his power (that's Alby) @Leeghoofd
Ask others for help , if it is something that you cant handle by your own.
We need to keep this place alive.
This is super important. We are having trouble keeping team members interested in continuing the competitive overclocking sport/hobby.
Concerns of closure due to non profitable business transactions and/or lack thereof, leads many to believe the worst.
Many people are no longer optimistic with little to no feedback, many in the community guessing "that's it, you're at the end" is a sufficient way to describe an outcome.
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2 hours ago, ozzie said:
how many forum members does hwbot have alby, do you have any idea at all ?
3215 users this season submitted (2020)
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On 9/11/2018 at 5:02 AM, Leeghoofd said:
I hope Frederik can resolve/fix some annoying bugs like the links that don't work, etc
Biggest issue is
Ehh. I've been holding my breath for Half Life 3 and died a few times along the way....
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Ah well. I have all my screen shots saved. Even the ones that where a lead to my final submission here.
I'll fill the OC museum at Warp9-systems with them to preserve.
You all are more than welcome to fill our museum. And you dont have to worry about filling out a form or silly rules. It's just for show and tell.
Again, that's Warp9-systems OC museum. Hope to see some of you guys pop in some subs!!
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3 hours ago, MaddMutt said:
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-> JUST A QUICK Reminder <- What where we talking about again???
The way I read it, Alby leaves, nobody is left to take care of things and HWBot folds.
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14 hours ago, Leeghoofd said:
Well I took a decision: if nothing changes before the end of year , I'm ejecting and will leave this site/scene behind me. I'll support the site till Country Cup is finished and then its up to somebody else to steer this rudderless boat.
I feel sad because Roman and Eike are both one of a kind and are true sports and I feel like I'm abandonning them. I can't imagine how it is to be in their shoes right now. 9 months down the road and they still can't get access to the code. I guess it must be even more frustrating for them than me, as they invested heaps of cash. The Bot can be so much more but it requires constant attention, something which has been neglected for years now.
I'm getting drained, day by day. Users don't understand why all of this is happening. It is so frustrating and exhausting that emails regarding serious bugs and requests remain just unanswered. Currently the bot is crawling, adding/removing rules/stuff and moderation is a nitemare or just even a plain no go. Now the 504 error is back again. Only leaves me to wonder what's up next?
Less than 3 months left, enjoy it while it lasts....
Thank you Alby. Just thank you. I've enjoyed Bot for many years. Thank you. That's all I got left. Just Thanks dude.
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Lol. Whatever. It shouldn't even be part of the discussion from veterans any ways.
Still all for gamers taking interest in hwbot.
Compare gaming benchmarks is what kids want to see.
YouTube gaming comparisons is probably some of the most watched tech videos.
It ain't about the cheats but bringing some variety.
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2 hours ago, Mr.Scott said:
FWIW:
Jon, socket A is one of the easier platforms to cheat.
I consider TR to be an expert in that platform also.
That was my point.... we'd know if cheats where used
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17 hours ago, TerraRaptor said:
1% is still too much.
Do you? I'm quite sure you won't catch me if I start cheating.
I'm nowhere close to be hardcore gamer yet I was playing Asphalt8 for a couple of years - rankings in one of the most popular games were full of cheaters. Even online events had lots of those. I think that most AAA titles with online functionality (so that they offer human vs human competition) also implement quite serious protection against cheating - auto aim, trainers etc and still they have a lot of such issues. And those protections also make things more complex for usual gamers, so why hwbot shouldn't implement the same protection for its 15y heritage?
I don't need to catch you, the submissions have moderation. And they KNOW exactly when something doesn't look right.
OK, so the benchmarks that DO give points across the board are known stable and consistent
Gaming benchmarks would just help bring people to HWBot.
But if you want to venture off to gaming cheats vs benchmark cheats, you're in the wrong section of the forums for that. HWBot isn't a gaming platform, but should cater to the benchmark, which, if I'm not mistaked, "auto aim cheats" simply just do not apply.
Anyways, you'd get caught cheating here. If you want to have a challenge and put cheats to use, try the socket 462 platform and see if you can even touch the legitimate benchmark submissions first, then we'll talk.
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15 minutes ago, TerraRaptor said:
Simplicity in general is also simplicity to cheat and take high spots. HWBOT was and is database of results in different benchmarks. Making simple validation will ruin the validity of this database - people are people and cheaters will exploit that simplicity to gain top rankings. Look at Aquamark - first only screenshot of am3 window was required, then screenshot in am3 pasted into paint plus cpuz/gpuz, then wrapper - just because there were too many cheaters using simplicity of early validation rules.
99% of people don't take the time to cheat.
We all know who did cheat in the past.
We all know (for the most part) when a score looks completely out of whack.
We all know the cooling categories are cool, but using Dice and saying it's "chilled liquid" is bullshit.
It's a bullshit excuse to over complicate something that people should have ease of access.
Yes BenchMate can focus on this aspect, but really needs 100% implementation to work. It needs to be able to fill out the entry for completely and truly so that it's a viable approach to a situation that's not getting better.
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Then, nobody really knows about HWBot. What some 2000 people might actively benchmark every year out of 7.5 BILLION people on the planet at least half with some sort of access to a computer???
It's a Niche thing that had a hey day like bell bottoms. We can hope it comes back some day.
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I really think a gaming category to focus on gamers would be a very smart move
All in my opinion respectfully.
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Just now, Mythical tech said:
Which is why something like benchmate has the potential to really help. I know a lot of people hate it but it might be needed to keep hwbot alive and keep new people coming in.
I can't sell a half working program. The "submit" button is useless. Then the little bugs that come with it. I was getting it to just not work correctly being on the edge of stability. It's counter productive in this aspect. Must be filed to the desktop for the verification pop up to appear.
What happened to just set it up and run it, screen shot, put in a little information and done.
The stuff in the form that is not required to submit a score should be completely removed. It just makes it cluttered and confusing to new users.
People like/need simplicity. We really should head that direction imo.
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2 minutes ago, rbuass said:
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All that is at every single OC forum that's still around. The OC information is easy to come by.
But yet.... all the OC forums are dead.
So unless people search specifically for overclocking forums, they find non active or very little activity on these forums. They get the info needed (mostly all OC knowledge is public) and they move on. They don't even register most of the time.
But you're right! How do we get people interested in this?? It won't be easy bud.
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1 minute ago, TerraRaptor said:
I also thought OC is out of interest for most young folks in my country until I recently joined local HW channel in Telegram - people do overclocking with their setups, test 'em in games and discuss interesting modding projects. The thing is HWBOT is not interesting for them. Interest in OC doesn't mean participation in hwbot. Casual overclocking/benchmarking is alive, hwbot should just find the way to invlove these people into community.
But that's the thing. I actively look to recruit from the most popular forum in the world right now.
99% of them are just interested in setting up, minimal tweaking and then off to the games.
There really is not a lot of interest to overclock. Cpu and Gpu released with no head room. none.
Not like back in the day when you could eek out 500mhz from a cpu (on average) and really gain performance percentage figures.
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So being actively trying to actually FIND and recruit people that take an interest in competitive benchmarking (cooling and scores set aside) seems to be a very limited crowd. Super limited. I've found 1 recruit, brought him aboard and he's enjoying himself. Thankfully.
The HWBot thing was the hardest part and we all had to assure and encourage him.. He was getting frustrated with HWBot, rules, submitting legitimately and move on to the next bench. It so hard for a new guy to come along and work with HWBot. Took this gentleman probably a week to get one good legitimate submission in. That sucks. I can't sell that.
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What are you listening to ?
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