GeorgeStorm
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32 minutes ago, richba5tard said:
How difficult is it to explain "this is what you achieved this year" and "this is what you achieved since the beginning"?
I meant there's no need to simplify, by which you massively reduce the importance of hwpoints as people have pointed out
If you're set on going this direction, then I feel you really need to reduce the value of globals to be closer to hw points.
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I would think having Team and Country rankings using the same logic makes sense.
But I still don't really see the issue with slight differences between career and season individual ranking, I've managed to explain the current/previous ranking to my parents who have 0 interest and they seemed to understand, can't be that complicated
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I would think so but I'm not 100% sure how the comp rankings work hah. I can remove his 2700x score if desired.
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Removing globals completely from career makes them even more elite focused, as they normally require the biggest expenditure, and if they only count for a year then are worthless fewer are going to be willing to compete, meaning even more bias towards those who might get stuff for free/some kind of support.
If globals are considered too big, then surely just adjust the max available, so it's less of an issue? If hwpoints had a limit of 50 (and now various depending on bench), why not the same for globals, make the max 100, or even 50, a global 1st place could still get double a hw 1st place which is worth it no?
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4 hours ago, avalanche said:
Your a reasonable guy. I've chatted to you before.
My team guys some old have been HWbot from the beginning. Alot of revisions they've seen.
Don't FUCK this up. Look at those bloody cups & all the time and effort. Ales on my team, he's sunk a bloody lot of time in, plenty of them have.
It's eroding of my teams efforts & they work bloody hard @ scores
This highlights an issue that has been around forever with hwbot, do you rewards width or height so to speak.
The hw masters ranking in theory should cover the width, those members who bench a wide range of hw, rather than focusing in on a smaller popular selection. For some, benching a huge range of hw is the more impressive, for others getting 5 top scores >>>>> 1000s of subs, so in theory you should have best of both worlds with normal and hw master rankings.
Also team shouldn't be seasonal, if anything the teamcup naturally acts as a seasonal team ranking.
1 hour ago, Strunkenbold said:So the culprit is just the seasonal team ranking?
I think this can be easily changed back to an all time ranking again. I dont see why this needs to be seasonal.However the current approach to calculate the career points needs to get tweaked. As currently, if you have benched a lot of current gen hardware, you are way too good in the career ranking which pisses people who are here for a long time.
As we all know, there is a new hardware generation coming each year, and each year world records gets beaten by new hardware. If I take a look at the profile of splave http://uat.hwbot.org/user/splave/#Points I see that his seasonal ranking doesnt differ much from his career ranking which leaves the question why having two rankings if it acutally doesnt look much different.
So my proposal is to remove global points from career ranking and increase the submissions taken into account for the ranking, maybe to 50 hardware and 30 competition. Just to make a difference between one year and 10 years contribution to the bot.The seasonal ranking is a nice idea. But you also have to see that points get zeroed every year. So it might be also a good idea to create new achievements like best overclocker 2017 or something.
And introduce rankings or leader boards for the last years.
So we all could see who was the best of 2010 or something.For active benchers, season and career shouldn't be that different surely? Since they'll bench new stuff for globals, and also rebench older stuff possibly with new hw in combination (new cpus with older gpus) in order to improve their hw subs.
Keeping globals in the career is a nice balance to me, as it rewards active benchers, but doesn't mean you completely lose out if you're no longer active, but you will slowly slip down the rankings.
Also still think comp points have no place in the career ranking, thought we were heading towards older hwbot, aren't comp points a new thing? (at least I don't remember them being around when I joined), competition points are naturally suited to a seasonal ranking as they lose points after a year anyway.
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Career: Top 20 global + Top 40 HW
Seasonal: Top 30 subs + Top 10 Comp (all during that 'season')
Numbers can be adjusted obviously, but to me this is a nice balance.
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No worries
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3 minutes ago, avalanche said:
http://uat.hwbot.org/league/worldwide?offset=-4&team=warp9_systems
I see my Captain Mr Paco who has thousands of cups drop, other legend overclockers on the team drop level in team WTF
Efforts diminished minimalist steered. Best f'n overclockers of their time. Weighed less I'm guessing on older hardware
I believe it looks even worse than it is as that ranking is based on the 'season' ranking, and so only subs from this year go towards it.
If the two rankings go ahead, then on all the rankings (national, team etc) there should be the option to easily switch between career and season.
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Only had a chance to skim through the thread.
Whilst I don't mind the idea of career vs 'current' ranking, but why have comp points in both? Comp points in current and no comp points in career makes more sense to me as comps are much more optional in my mind.
As others have said, but combining points (top 30 global+hw) you naturally bias it towards those with higher end hw, that was the best thing about the seperate hw and global points adding to your total.
Edit: Also while I don't really pay attention to team rankings, getting rid of the 'power points' (which was basically just the highest score with certain hw on a team counts?) would massively change the rankings, once again to teams with more high end hw.
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Go on I'll take the MOCF.
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Just the terminology used on the site, WRs tend to be for absolutely best scores, and then hardware or global first places for scores with specific hw, no real terminology used for best scores using a certain cooling method.
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Congrats to all, look forward to seeing some epic results from Vietnam!
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Brutal. Why no system pic though
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31 minutes ago, bigblock990 said:
A board without a big drop of LET in the socket? ha ha
Not my proudest moment
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Not enough to affect my ranking
May have another look at this tonight if I have time.
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2 minutes ago, ground1556 said:
Can we pay to remove others valid scores?
Not quite, but pay enough and others using similar not quite legit methods might be looked at more and therefore removed whilst yours isn't?
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Nice test, but you should disable points or change to Elite league.
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Didn't know thermal grizzly sold vas now :D Great work
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This in your league or world ranking?
Not sure about the 6700k ranking, looks odd to me @richba5tard
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8 hours ago, HiVizMan said:
Don't GS - I could not even get them stable at 3400MHz mate. Relaxed timings, even had the voltage up to 1.5 but no joy. Same bloody DDR4 that we used at Cambridge (don't think you made that event) what was it three or four years ago. Just pleased that I got dual channel to work. The fist set of DDR4 ram I played with, were original DDR4 and could only get one stick working at a time. LOL
Good to see how well you have done mate. Very pleased too see you kicking butt and taking names in the benching scene.
Yeah sadly I missed a lot of stuff whilst I wasn't active!
At least wprime doesn't care, remember it being one of the few benches I could do when my board lost a mem channel but I didn't want to call the session hah. Thanks, nice to see some names I remember from before I took a break pop up again
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Good choice of bench when your mem isn't great :D
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On 775 fsb:mem strap can make a big difference on what clocks can be run
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hwbot "classic" rev8
in HWBOT Development: bugs, features and suggestions
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I think the potential issue would be in the (very unlikely) situation that user a has 10 old records, and user b subs 10 new 2nd place scores, user a could sub 10 scores that were all better than user b's, but not quite better than their old scores, and they would get nothing whilst user b would get everything. And whilst this isn't an issue in one way, it doesn't represent how 'good' someone is doing in a season type thing, as they're always being compared to their best, whereas in a normal seasonal ranking, you're just compared to others in that season I would think?