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Such interesting musical taste..

pacifier time... really funny how this MSI thread get's derailed by a CPU-Z skin

You buying a 2d cat Chris ?

no it's EDP

It's a nice one mate !

Wow gamer has two fans !!

Who said anything bout a team that want's you ? mista I lit my mobo' on fire !

Not hard with El gappo in your team :banana: go for top 5 OCN !!!

Remember F1 compo Kenny ? With the ASUS MARS cards, the Americans claimed it was a paper launch and only the happy few got cards to bench on. We provided a link from a few euro shops that had the cards really in stock in their warehouse... And if released limited availability is what ? 20pcs 5 pcs ? 1pc ? Talk about faking cards on shelves... Didn't eVGA played the ball with putting their classified cards available for sale a few hours before the end of that particular stage ? Didn't see any card in stock in any online shop... Loopholes will be part of any competitive hobby, sad but true... Also limited hardware like Expander can easily be avoided as there are plenty of quad SLI boards out. Without adding the extra difficulty of a daughter card. Specific Region launch also seems far too hard to lay down in rules. Who decides if a particular product is really worth al the pain and aggrevation ? Is it required to set world records scores ? It's already pretty complex to define all this. Adding more rules will make it even more complex and even then people will find "legal" ways of circumventing them...

NDA rule is fine by me, maybe add : in online competitions like the Country Cup availability of brand new products should be outligned in the Competition rules if they are allowed or not ( like what happened with 7970 ) Normal rankings will stabilise after a while when everybody can get their hands on the new hardware... don't see a problem there...

no points till official NDA lift... nothing more, nothing less... like mentioned before and in the other thread : Early scores get easily beaten by newer drivers, new mods,new firmwares etc... Boost can be of a sort of a fixed nature ( as with Andre's scores ) or can be temporary like many early adopters on air clocks... everything will stabilise in the end...

Pro for vice president !! and Kenny for Pro league

Congratz all !! Let's move onto PCmark Vantage now

Well done man, very nice score

Good one Honda !!

If HWbot were dictators threads like this would not exist and you would have exited already weeks ago... hard or soft way... before throwing any more heavy words versus the HWbot staff I would suggest you to properly look up the words you are using... I find some words you are using Addict a bit too far fetched... Due to the numerous changes many started rebenching the old stuff, which is cheap. SLI and co get far better rewarded too now... No system is flawless. Have you ever wandered around in the real world ? Do you notice any similarities ? Is everything perfect there ? If so good for you... Some people will just have more toys to play with. By setting more and more rules things get overcomplicated. And is there a bulletproof way of verifying things ? Nope... and honesty in a competitive sport is just not possible. Utopia if you ask me... So Addict you want one league, do you think the vendors will look for you at ranking 300 ? Do you think their attitude towards sponsoring overclockers and co will dramatically change ? Dunno... Those that are on top have worked for it the last years. They work or are sponsored by the big manufacturers. Okay thye have access to the goods, but they are also masters in overclocking/modding, discovering tips and tweaks... Their ranking is not solely determined by the hardware they received... Those that want to be on top have to adjust to what is hot and what is not... Plain logic that the highest scores are awarded the most points. And ofcourse it's common sense that highly competitive people bench the hardware that get's rewarded the most. In any sport/hobby if you want to compete you have to invest in the latest and the best... you simply have to adjust... I really don't see the issue with all of this... I can't buy a 7970 now, so I drop massively in the rankings. Do I care ? Nope coz it's just a hobby, I bench what I can get my hands on... Maybe a few months down the road I can get one when everyone starts to bench 780... Will we restart a similar debate once Kepler hits the shelves ? If you want something to change you also have to propose a valid solution that can work out for most users and not just for you... I like some ideas here but most are really a flash back of previous discussions... I can't buy that stuff so I get pissed off with the system. Isn't that the root of all this ?

Can I be your friend ?

Andre domination, very nice work !!!

Nice Work, How Are Your Ears Holding Up ? SO NEXT CPU SCALING AT 4-4.5-5.5.5GHZ ,

Nice start !!

"Originally Posted by matose View Post ... It's not about the skill anymore, it's about who have the right BIOS, the right software, knows all the mods and have the best sample and that's very sad!" This has always been the case Matose... don't see anything new... some people have more resources... some have luck,... But even then with the best CPU, tools etc... there still will be a difference between final results... In some way of the other a skilled overclocker, that is able to fight with the same material/soft, will still have an edge... You can't exclude luck in finding a good GPU/GPU/RAM... Ofcourse the more you can bin, the higher the chance is of finding a golden one... same old story... nothing new...

So will all this .... continue if Nvidia launches it's new GPU architecture. ( to apparently crush AMD latest offering) .. Isn't this how it always has been.. new hardware that demolishes all previous scores... Makes you loose points if you don't buy it ? And if you even buy it, some will always have more access to either bin, get stuff for free... Or even buy a pretested +5.9GHZ CPU. What's the issue with 7970 ? Ronaldo you loose points now and will catch up in a few months or so when the card is available in your country... Maybe even at a better price and with better drivers : Outcome : you will beat most of the current scores that have pushed you down the ranking... I don't get the point in some posts here... What has changed in the hardware world ? Nothing it evolves, redefines,... so scores will be beaten/crushed... Wouldn't you be bored when benching always the same old stuff ? Am I envious about Suicide's, Ronaldo's or Nick Sihs CPUs. A bit yes coz I didn't find or am able to buy them cherry CPU's. So I have to settle at 5.6Ghz and will try my best to submit competitive scores. For the rest it's all in the hands of the hardware gods. I still have fun, but not as active to compete at any level... not even my purpose of being here... To me it's just fun, even if it costs sometimes a lot of cash. But so do other hobbies ! And who forces you to buy the latest and the best ? I can understand some people invest a lot of money, want to be in and stay in top 5/10. And probably want to get hardware for free in the end... Isn't that where the debate is here really all about. Invest hard and then get supported ? Some will get exhausted and give in, some will just continue at maybe a lower pace... You are all taking this hobby far too seriously, for some it's work. For some a passion and for others it will end up as a frustration... you take your choice of preference... The system always wil have flaws, so does real life...

VeRy CoNfUsInG iNdEeD

Euh, have they changed again ? - No ramdisk or MFT software allowed (didn't say ram cache did it ) - XP startup can not exceed 220MB/s - Benchmark must run on default web browser (Internet Explorer, any version) and default audio/video codec *new* - Browser enhancement tweaks such as disabling/removing features, plugins, make-up etc are allowed *new* - Audio and video codec tweaks are allowed. Powertoy is, as GUI for the registry, allowed *new* The new * ones have been debated a long time ago and everyone agreed on them... Explain the main difference between an Acard/Iram/RAM disk and the ram cache used here ? With normal SSDs you can't reach the scores eg Steve of Christian has done... I find it very good that ram cache can be used : It's far cheaper and can even bring far better results then them uberly expensive Acards... We have tested some cache programs and the results are insane... at a mild cost... PCmark05 was for the storage freaks with loads of cash, now the tide turns... Tip : Get your gear out and start benching iso...

Pcmark05 is going bezerk with the new rules... well done Christian... Tell me the secrets