Xtreme Addict
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What is Bulldozer? it's FX8150 or FX8350 also?
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Awesome crazy result and bench rig
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I am not about judging and so on. I can only tell about myself.
When PRO League was created, I could choose PRO or XOC. I read rules and decided that I qualify in 100% for PRO and in fact I wanted to be ranked with best overclockers. Why I decided that I qualify for PRO League? Here is answer:
Despite the fact that I live in Poland and most vendors offices are really without resources for marketing (samples, $ for samples and so on - in my opinion it's the problem of attitude of those departments, they don't; want to organize samples themselves but only "take" what HQ sends or doesn't not send. Why I say that support in Poland is not good? Maybe because "Intel Poland" had only 2x i7 990X cpus for reviews in 40 million country in EU... All samples in Poland have to be sent back, mostly in 1-2 weeks time. I am fucked living and benching in Poland, I know lol So in the beginning of PRO OC League I had:
- Antec support (1-2 PSU sent for LN2 benching for eternity)
- Asus Poland support (I borrow a lot of boards from them, sometimes GPUs), all have to be returned)
- Intel Poland support (after reviews they send me sometimes ES cpus (but not all generations, for instance SB or Ivy was too "hot" and needed for reviews) I got i7 990X and 3960X for tests/benching, all have to be returned)
- Some local distributor (small one) helps me and sometimes borrows 4 GPUs or some mem for a weekend of benching, of course they have to be in great shape in order to sell them later so sometimes LN2 isn't possible)
- Gigabyte Poland (but they used to have less boards then Asus Poland, because of the structure of Gigabyte, in Poland there is only motherboard department with samples, GPUs marketing is organized by small PR agency which doesn't send hw for OC), of course everything have to be returned
- MSI Poland (the same as Gigabyte or even less samples, but boards and gpus), everything have to be returned
- some support from Linegal Chemicals (my ln2 place), better prizes and so on
So in fact, I got samples for free only from Antec (1-2 PSU per year). And all 4-ways/Quad CF, binning of CPUs and so on (Gultowns, SB, Ivy, SB-E) I did by myself by private $. Moreover because polish departments didn't care about special bioses or tools (like Afterburner Extreme) I had a really big problem sometimes...
I think that all reviewers (which are benching mostly on samples) should be moved to PRO OC. If some overclockers get 1-2 cheap sample per year for free, and they spend a lot of $ for OC, they can choose XOC or PRO. I chose PRO (mostly because of other polish overclockers, which mostly don't have any support, looking at them I could say I had great support) and I don't regret it. I developed a lot, got some good contacts, made a lot of friends and now I have support from HQs. But I didn't stop spending private $ on OC, on the contraty I spend the same or more, but I can focus more on binning CPUs, GPUs and doing better results
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Nice trip
If you are thinking about doing a journey tour around Poland, I have to warn you - you will die from holes in polish roads lol
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Fuck Android/iPhone... it's almost like new pcmarks lol
I use Windows Phone on Lumia 820, I tried Galaxy S3 but I threw it away cause it isn't for poeple
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Ronaldo be patient
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God is here
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Great to see you have fun
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There should be PRO League and PRO Cup and then PRO Cup would have more participants - why? The reason is obvious, overclockers or teams like Team AU would do results to the Cup during their normal sessions which they made for OC/points. For instance during last session they pushed 4x 7970 with great results, for the cup they needed only to change mobo and cpu (lga2011) and they could do submission for 3DMark 11 Overall. It didn't need so much additional effort, funds and so on. I think that Dino, Uncle, Deanzo or pro will agree with me here.
But PRO Cup should be the most important, the most promoted by hwbot, sponsored by vendors (to gain attention of overclockers) and overclockers from XOC should also be able to take part in it. I would also limit PRO League only to 10 best submissions (or less) to "unload" overclockers and direct their powers for PRO Cup.
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Issue solved very positively for me
BTW I was 2nd overall
"Okay, updating MSI later today (awaiting some information) with the winner info. They will make a news item about it later this week, which you will be able to find on the front page.
- Winner: Rbuass
- Runner-up: Gyrock
- Lucky Draw: Cagrimir (for this submission: http://hwbot.org/submission/2353621)
As some of you already know, there was a problem with Xtreme Addict's result, which was done with an non-MSI graphics card. For those that like to rant and complain, you can check out the thread here. Even though the result is not valid and is removed from the competition, since the competition stage was confusing MSI will prepare a second Z77A-GD80 for Xtreme Addict.
Sorry for the confusion and let's do it perfect next time!"
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That's a very good solution, I like it
But I was also fine with the solution, that I could try to score 2nd with Lightning, with no hard feelings if I fail. But it's easier for me Please next time add all limitations in stage details, most of us look mostly on those requirements, even add rule "ES not allowed" cause almost in every contest topic there are questions about it
even obvious info, it's better to write more points with simple words than catching rules from marketing press release
Examples:
"MSI board only"
"MSI gpu only"
"only single gpu"
"only Z77 boards"
"use only Mpower Z77 to score for prizes"
"all MSI Z77 boards are valid for lucky draw"
"no ES"
"use special background"
"link to ORB required"
"tess off is allowed in AMD drivers"
"photo of benching rig is required"
"use only hw which was launched and available before contest launch"
"Titan is not allowed"
"submit result before 10/02/2013 to take part in lucky draw"
"all tweaks have to be valid with hwbot rules and terms"
I can't think about more, those rules/limitations in stage page would be very clear and there wouldn't be any doubts
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cards are DCU2 from what I see
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You need more CPU clocks
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I have resources with Lightnings 7970, now I have 6 cards, 2 days ago I had 7 cards but I sold one lol
If there was a rule "only MSI GRAPHICS CARDS allowed", I would follow it.
So please don't tell me there was a strict rule because there wasn't. Admit that simply MSI doesn't want to ship prize (cause they thought that only users with Lightnings will win something) and I will leave it alone, I will be angry, but what can I do, I will not sue anyone.
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Competition page well let's look for the statement about rules using MSI hardware:
"(Taipei – Taiwan) MSI, The world’s leading brand in motherboard and graphics cards, and the renowned system performance testing software company Futuremark, released a new generation of 3D performance testing software 3DMark together; igniting a new fire with the overclocking community. In order for global overclocking professionals to be able to compete against each other with the latest version of 3DMark MSI will hold the online overclocking competition “MSI 3DMark Challenge”. For a duration of four weeks, from February 4 to March 3, 2013 Anyone using a MSI motherboards and graphics cards can compete in the most challenging DirectX 11 scene in 3DMark– Fire Strike. The competition will be divided into two parts: the top two challengers using a MSI Z77 MPOWER for the competition with the highest scores will each win great items such as a MSI R7970 Lightning Boost Edition graphics card and a Z77A-GD80 motherboard; the Z77A-GD55 Lucky Draw activity is opened to all challengers using MSI Z77 motherboards.
To enter the Lucky Draw activity, all you have to do is upload your scores before February 10! We believe this will be an extremely fierce competition and expect to see record-breaking performance!"
in that text there are mentioned limitations:
- use MSI Z77 board to enter lucky draw
- use MSI Mpower Z77 board to fight for the prizes
If you really want to be precise you can find another limitation in this text:
"Anyone using a MSI motherboards and graphics cards can compete" - using dedicated graphic card is obliged (IGP not allowed).
There is really no mention about use only MSI graphic card, there is no where written "MSI GRAPHIC CARD", I was looking for this sentence, I couldn't find any statement like "use MSI graphic card only". If there is no dedicated vendor before the common word, it means "any". If there was "Use both motherboard and graphic card manufactured by MSI" it would be clear that both parts must be MSI products. Not all users have to speak English fluently. But all in all the limitations written in stage page always are strict and simple to be understandable even by google translator. That's their point, not to do confusion.
"You have been around here for a long time now, of course know MSI always requires MSI GPUs. Why not just ask for clarification instead?"
I am taking part in MSI competitions from MOA EMEA, there was precise limitation as I showed in stage page. Next contest was MSI FM2 challenge with IGP - there was no using dedicated GPU, only IGP. Second contest was ECS FM2 challenge which was open for all brands according to limitations in stage pages (ECS FM1 required ECS board). Another contest was GB OC Winterout where stage limitations were written just like in this contest and I won prizes and everything was fine. I am always following limitations in stage page and hwbot rules (like what tweaks are legit, which are cheating, ES rule and so on). Moreover, each contest can have different rules. Lightnings are the most popular on HWBOT, there is not such stress to demand MSI GPU Cards cause all results despite mine were done on Lightnings. MSI needs emphasis on motherboards, cause let's be honest, overclockers mostly use them for MSI competitions, not for top results. So for me it was totally justified why there is no need of demanding MSI GRAPHIC CARD and it was clear. MSI is also now doing SSD drives, so maybe all results now have to be done on MSI SSD hard drives. It can be the same obvious and clear thing as "MSI always requires MSI GPUs".
If someone screwed up (HWBOT or MSI) and forgot to write rules, simply admit it, don't look for "obvious MSI rules which are not written". It's not like ES rules, benchmark settings rules (what is allowed, what is cheating) which are written in HWBOT rules and terms page...
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For me rules are clear - what is not forbidden is allowed.
And in other MSI HWBOT Contest:
So if someone didn't check rules a few times is not my fault. If there was rule that I have to use MSI VGA - I would use cause I have Lightnings cards (not golden ones, but I have). So I want my result to be back there ;]
Rules were updated (Titan rule) during the contest, and rules should be double checked by that time. Random text isn't clear and obvious - some can understand is as marketing bs, others as it needs separate graphic card, not IGP, especially that there is no "MSI graphic card", only "and graphic card". Text is unclear and the same with the part of "prizes" as Mike mentioned above and he is a native speaker so he clearly understands english.
I spent time, $ on ln2 and also killed Mpower board fighting as a beta tester for this benchmark, keep it in mind ;]
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Be patient Ronaldo
From my experience it always takes some time before official informations are announced and it will also take time vendors to send prizes (but MSI is fast) -
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I like the idea of PRO Cup, but of course I would do it in other way.
But...
So far I see only 2 teams... From guys with whom I was talking... nobody is willing to take part in it. Vendors also seem to be not so excited about it, cause all companies lower they budgets for overclocking and soon many overclockers will be not sponsored anymore or very limited. If things will go this way, that there won't be teams to race, there is no point of this form (from what I see), so if nothing changes, there will not be any team left in PRO Cup.
So if society doesn't approve this format and doesn't want to take part, maybe it's time to change it. Because now it seems to be boring even more than PRO League for viewers.
The official GIGABYTE Dig for Victory Contest thread.
in HWBOT Competitions
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cause it's the same shit