Monstru

Guys.....you broke an obvious rule, clearly written here on HWB. That is why the HWB mods are blocking the results. On the other hand, as I stated a few days ago, that rule has flaws and i don't entirely agree with it. Ok, if many people think that rule is flawed, let's think of a way in which it could be improved. I think this is the mature solution, not fighting We don't like that ugly rule I tried to think of something, and maybe that also has flaws. Other people also thought of some solutions. Any other ideas??? C'mon.....let's make HWB better for all, instead of fighting

Guys....fighting will not solve anything, only make things worse I am absolutely sure that nobody has anything against HOT, that alone is a silly idea. HOT is one of the "golden teams" and hipro one of the golden overlcokers, and I don't thin that anyone ever doubt that. I think that the guys from HWB are only trying to enforce the rules, and that is the same for every team. If the rules are flawed (and some of them are) let's discuss that without anger and bad feelings, and let all of us who have a suggestion try to make them better. Propose solutions, find the ideal way, but do not fight and accuse people just because some ego fight. Let's be real, all this fuss about sharing hardware and rules and points started because of the huge ego fight that is taking place between the top teams. I saw how you guys talk to each other, I know how it is to want to have better results that a competitor, everybody can see that you guys are just battling for ego.... Hipro is one of the greatest overclcokers in the world....HOT is one of the greatest teams, with very very talented members.....But having the most points on HWB and being the first team will not make you better, or better known, it will just make you feel better about yourselves. K|ngp|n is a great overclocker, just like hipro....He is on the 23rd place on HWB or something like that, posting just 6-7 records of his. Does this mean that the guys in front of him are better clockers??? XtremeSystems is the 4th or 5th team in the top. does that mean that XS Forums is not the place that brings everybody together from evey country or forum, does that mean that XS members are not great clcokers anymore???? You guys have made a goal from being number one, point wise.... Relax guys, you are great clockers, like few in the world....Enjoy that, enjoy benching, keep breaking WR's, keep pushing the limits, and let the points be just another recognition of your value, not the first. It makes me sad to see world champions fight like that just because some ego fight with other teams about who's first, when all you guys are such great clockers One thing about golden chips, because I can see that the opinions are very different....Hey guys....if GOLDEN teams make regular chips seem like golden and having a truly special chip really doesn't matter...how come the guys from Thug Team still have the record for the highest clock ever???? Why didn't any other great, golden teams, break their record??? Think about that

I like team benching, for us little guys is way better to bench with a friend, than alone. Nobody was talking about "dropping team benching", so I don't know why you people even talk about this. Unfortunately Massman has a point with the example above. I know that that wouldn't happen in a million years, but seeing how the teams do everything in their power to get in front...I am beginning to have doubts. Remember....I agree with sharing hardware, but there has to be a way in which what Massman said above should be prevented, and I fear that we cannot count only on everybody's good will

Happy new year....may the force of the mighty Penryn be with us all

I agree with that, at one point all rules should be final, and there is some work to do before we get there. Well....that is a fact of life, and it isn't the first time it would happen (not that I would have second place or anything like that ) I'm still thinking to a solution for this situation. Well....first of all, the really big guys should be an example to us all, and they should not encourage swapping good hardware just to get points for the team. Second of all, I was talking about the best result with one piece of hardware (let's say QX9650 sn: xxx, not all QX9650's that all the members of one team have). I am sure that my solution is not flawless, but it has some truth in it, so maybe some version of it could help end this debate. And you should think about another thing....Most of the problems I see people fighting about are caused by team rankings...Maybe we should think more about these rules, because I see some respected people really beginning to fight over some minor ego matters, and it is a pity... I prefer to consider them legends, to look up to them and learn something from their experience, not to see them fighting over a handful of points. Big guys should acknowledge their position, should be more aware about their influence, should have a higher moral standard than we small guys do, even if this is just a human nature issue in the end. And if they have a hard time doing that, HWBot should be the all knowingly grandfather that gently taps them on their back and helps them come back on the right track with good, clear, consistent rules. He...he....he... Thank you for your words. I promise I shall write some things down and get in contact with you as soon as I get back from my holiday, which will be one of these days. Now I am still trying to recover from the new years eve party

One of the most influential and skilled overclocker is back with HWBot....Welcome back, this community is once again "rich"

Oh my goodness problems, problems and more problems It seems that it is harder and harder to please everyone with the way HWBot works, and somehow you guys have to think a whole new set of rules to keep things fair for everyone. If you ask me, I disagreed with the rule that is being discussed here from the beginning, because it has some faults. I agree with the idea that same hardware shouldn't be used many times to bring more points to a team. I disagree with the idea that only the owner of the hardware should be able to get points using that hardware, for two reasons: 1. Hardware is being bought and sold, so if you want to stop more people to get points using the same "champion CPU", for instance, you can't, because someone who benches while he has that CPU earns some points, and someone that benches after he bought that CPU from the first person also earns some points, and everything is perfectly legal accordingly to HWB rules..... 2. If somebody uses a CPU lend from a friend for some benching sessions and he gets some nice results, he deserve those results, because he worked for them. In the same way, the friend that lend him that CPU also deserves his points from his benching sessions, because he also worked for his. So each one of them deserve those points. The only "entity" that should not benefit from the cumulation of points is their team. REMEMBER THIS...HWBot is about rewarding and motivating people's skill, not the purchasing of hardware. That's why I think that the points should be awarded to a person for his skill, not for owning a certain CPU or GPU That being said, I have a suggestion that will please nobody, but it will make things FAIR. Let team members bench the same hardware (top hardware is really expensive, and there are persons who can't afford some things, while they are more skilled and better clockers than others who can afford expensive HW). Let each team member have it's points. BUT use the actual rule regarding those points only for the team, so each guy can have his points BUT only the points for the best score will add to the team's total points In this way, the true spirit of HWBot will be respected, and the skilled overclockers will be rewarded, and the teams will not “cheat”. I know that all the teams suffer a little bit while reading these thoughts, but let’s keep it fair for everybody and don’t hurt the little guys because of the ego fight that is always taking place between the overclocking mammoths. Funny thing is that I have a lot of ideas about the many rules of HWB, including benching old hardware (specifically old GPU’s with new CPU’s and stuff like that) and many others, but I am very lazy to write them all down

But of course, first you have to beat theirs

You show them hipro, that's the spirit You are just using the same weapons as everybody, so ... kill'em all :evil:

That is crazy! I am laughing my pants off here....Cute Yorkie....

Having world records with ES is a very tricky bussines.....You get a good York, take it over 5.7, get a sub 8 Spi and you are king of the world. And probably 3 months later you are way down in the ranks when the really good chips come out and guys start getting >6Ghz.....better DDR3 2000 Ram....faster boards and stuff like that. So, if you think about it like that, benching ES shows that you are an important person or a person which has good conections and passion. Relatetd to HWB points it's kindda useless, don't you think? I am laughing right now when I remeber how we were all stunned with the results the big guys got with ES's 6600/6700/X6800 and we couldn't believe our eyes... A few weeks later the L628B's were out on the market and a few more weeks later the L631B's were out on the market too, and that was the real WR material So...probbably that benching on ES is not a really big deal after all if we are talking about comparisons and HWB points. It just shows that Fugger or Shamino or Hipro are really apreciated by the industry and that overclocking and overclockers are becoming more and more important, and that is a good thing

http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=632569 XP Mobile in normal XP - wrong category http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=568910 Barton 3200 posted as Barton 2500 - wrong category

http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=657097 I know it is an old result but the screenshot has no validation and no cpu-z. And it beeing 1st place it is not ok http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=560370 NO validation link, NO screnshot....again...1st place.....

Hehehehe...when I bought them from NewEgg they were around 140$.... I was so stupid....I should have bought 10 kits

No sir, of course they are not orthos stable. At least not at 2.5v Here we have stable setting for those interested in stability testing: Dfi Infinity P965-S E6600 3Ghz @1.29v Ballistix 8500 1150 5-4-4-4 @2.1v

Some of them are bios some of them are memset, it depends. I usually boot as high as possible and than bring up the FSB with SetFsb or tweak the latencies with MemSet if necessary. For example, I boot at 4-4-4-12 1200 and then tighten to 4-4-4-4 (my mobo only allows 9 as the lowest seting in this case, so MemSet is neccesary). Some more fun: 2.50v - Ballistix 8500 3-3-3-9................470Mhz (aka DDR2 940) 4-4-4-12..............620Mhz(aka DDR2 1240)

Ok, so here are my sweet Crucial Ballistix 8500 tested on Dfi Infinity P965-S with an E6600 CPU. My goal is to attain Spi 1M stable settings. 2.10v 3-3-3-9 ..................................... 407Mhz - DDR2 814 4-4-4-12 ................................... 541Mhz - DDR2 1082 5-5-5-12 ................................... 604Mhz - DDR2 1208 2.30v 3-3-3-9 ..................................... 435Mhz - DDR2 870 4-4-4-12 ................................... 566Mhz - DDR2 1132 5-5-5-12 ................................... 607Mhz - DDR2 1214 2.40v 3-3-3-3 ................................... 458 Mhz - DDR2 916 4-4-3-4 ................................... 500 Mhz - DDR2 1000 4-4-4-4 ................................... 600 Mhz - DDR2 1200 While it is obvious that I am limited at around 1200 due to the motherboard, good latencies at low volts are my favourite on this board, and this kit seems to be very happy with that And here we play a little bit with the 10th Anniversary's at 2.30v on the same platform: 2.30v 3-3-3-9...........417 Mhz - DDR2 834 4-4-4-12.........536Mhz - DDR2 1072 5-5-5-12.........602Mhz - DDR2 1204 In conclusion, the Anniversaries are a very good kit, and I am pleased with them, but these 8500's are just plain old wicked, and they will taste more volts on the same platform and also P35 pretty soon. Hope that is ok with the pictures stored elsewhere, I have too many of them.

Hipro is first mate, always HOT is third....big difference

Ah c'mon guys......Hipro is a team by himself....Not from him should come the scores but from the team. Hipro is beyond human reach anyway

Eh...it will not finish like that, I am pretty sure about that

You are right, but look at the results those teams have and you will see that that is not the case

Very interesting.....the top looks very interesting...we have a few damn good teams, which should me models to all the other teams. The battle for the first is just for competition's sake, all the teams that are in that league are great teams with very extreme members A little bit of statistics now, because I think that not only the first 2 teams deserve the attention. You can see the results in the attach, and what I am looking right now is the number of results each team has. Now let's look a little bit to the points/results ratio, because I think that there are great teams which will not get the first place, but which have outstanding results. 1. United Team of Poland - 1.31 2. HOT - 1.87 3. XS - 1.51 4. MXS ModLabs.Net - 2.62 5. Russian Overs - 2.77 6. Hardware Arena Turkiye - 3.92 7. i4Memory.com - 1.77 8. OC Forums - 1.63 9. OC Team Finland - 2.08 10.OverclockingMasters - 2.08 11.Team OCX - 2.58 12.AwardFabrik - 2.47 13.Diskusjon.no OC Team - 2.08 14.Crazy OC-Germany - 2.35 15.Outofspecs.gr - 2.50 16.Bleedinedge - 1.26 17.OCZ Benchmark Team - 1.81 18.JMax Hardware - 2.32 19.OC-TEam.be - 1.29 20.Topmods.net - 2.08 This looks interesting, don't you think??? I mean, first of all, a BIG congratulation and respect for Hardware Arena Turkiye, Russian Overs and MXS ModLabs.....These guys have outstanding results. HA Turkiye has the highest points/results ratio, taking the 6th place with only 1333 results!!!!!!! Second of all, if we look a little bit closer to these results, we'll see some interesting things. Like.....once this battle for the 1st place started to be this tight, the p/r ratio for the first 3 teams changed for sure. The 3 big team involved in this battle have a low p/r ratio, while the guys that are not involved in this battle have a high p/r ratio, which is very nice... Well...I just find this interesting

Now the plot really thickens!!! Go go go for both teams....Break the boundaries!!! This is epical!

Please fix this: http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=648418 No video card or resolution visible No verification link At same clocks a result with Athlon XP 2000+ is better than a result with Conroe...I loled Also: http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=587874 - needs more proof http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=544559 - Futuremark problems with drivers / Test 4 supported but not runned And also this: http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=647535'>http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=647535 - The score is VALID but it should be in a different category, X1650Pro DDR2 512Mb. The category doesn't exist for the moment. http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=647536 - same situation http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=648219 - idem http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=647535 - idem

Thank you my friend, I really was a lucky bastard regarding the AE kit I am really waiting to get my hands on those 8500. I will also get a 6400 kit for a friend of mine, so maybe I'll make a little round-up before I give those away, between Crucial AE, 8500 and 6400 and my old Mushkin XP6400 and some Mushkin 9200......Really curious how they would compare to each other Anyway, that will not happen until october, so I'll better find some time for the AE kit, 'cause they deserve it......