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    Intel is holding back on releasing E8500 inventory

    in General hardware discussion

    Posted

    Here, in Romania, it was something like this:

     

    20th Jan - A shipment with lots of E8200, ~10 E8400 and a few (5-10) E8500 was out on the market, and instantly sold out.

     

    E8200 - Q740A - it was pretty weak for o/c. I mean...very low temps, good for daily use, but most off them stopped at ~4300Mhz on air.

     

    E8400 - Don't know much about these ones, medium oc'ers I suppose.

     

    E8500 - Q740A - Good overclokers, very high FSB (580 on air), pretty decent volts for Orthos @ 4Ghz-4,3Ghz

     

    28th Jan - a shipment with E8400 came on the market, something like 30 pcs. Of course, they instantly sold out :)

     

    E8400 - Q746A - Great oc'ers, would easily do 4700-4800 air cooled with normal temps, very low volts needed for Orthos at highs clocks. Very hot Cpu's though ( I own one of these)

     

     

    Since then, they keep on bringing small numbers of CPU's, and they sell them like hot bread. I don't know what's up with this, I mean..everybody is trying to get one of these, and Intel certainly have stock (they are producing them at least since November 2007). why they are not throwing them on the market with full force....this I don't know :(

    POLICE department INTO hwbot?....

    in Submission & member moderation

    Posted

    Massman:

     

    I do not agree with these rules:

     

    - post results with hardware you have for review, send by the manufacturer himself

    - FORBIDDEN: post results not done by you / not your hardware.

     

    What if a magazine or a store gives me a CPU to review. Or what if a friend of mine that has nothing to do with HWB and benching gives me his CPU to play with? That is not sent by manufacturer, but by a third party supplier :)

     

    Of course, nobody should ever post results that are not done by themselves, I totally agree with that one :)

    POLICE department INTO hwbot?....

    in Submission & member moderation

    Posted

    Now I see it all. All my respect hipro, it takes a great man to speak out his feelings like that, and it takes a great man to take time to prove something and not say it from the beginning. I am sorry if I ever misjudged you guys in this thread, it is clearly that some thing I had absolutely no idea about. RESPECT!

     

     

    Also......I am afraid that hipro really has a point here:

     

    IF you want to hear my TRULLY and HONESTLY oppinion.....Here it is:

     

    From the time hwbot "open it's gates" for "TEAMS", we (many of us) has lost friends from this......

    TEAMS are "BAD"....ONLY INDIVIDUAL BENCHERS will keep things straight, clean, and FRIENDLY MOST OF ALL.....

     

    This is my oppinion though with simple and straight words....

     

    EDIT: By saying that teams are "bad", I don't mean that they are bad BUT that teams seperates people (if you can understand what I mean).....

     

    :(

    POLICE department INTO hwbot?....

    in Submission & member moderation

    Posted

    Guys.....you broke an obvious rule, clearly written here on HWB. That is why the HWB mods are blocking the results.

     

    On the other hand, as I stated a few days ago, that rule has flaws and i don't entirely agree with it. Ok, if many people think that rule is flawed, let's think of a way in which it could be improved. I think this is the mature solution, not fighting :)

     

    We don't like that ugly rule :D I tried to think of something, and maybe that also has flaws. Other people also thought of some solutions. Any other ideas??? C'mon.....let's make HWB better for all, instead of fighting :)

    POLICE department INTO hwbot?....

    in Submission & member moderation

    Posted

    Guys....fighting will not solve anything, only make things worse :(

     

    I am absolutely sure that nobody has anything against HOT, that alone is a silly idea. HOT is one of the "golden teams" and hipro one of the golden overlcokers, and I don't thin that anyone ever doubt that. I think that the guys from HWB are only trying to enforce the rules, and that is the same for every team. If the rules are flawed (and some of them are) let's discuss that without anger and bad feelings, and let all of us who have a suggestion try to make them better. Propose solutions, find the ideal way, but do not fight and accuse people just because some ego fight. Let's be real, all this fuss about sharing hardware and rules and points started because of the huge ego fight that is taking place between the top teams. I saw how you guys talk to each other, I know how it is to want to have better results that a competitor, everybody can see that you guys are just battling for ego.... Hipro is one of the greatest overclcokers in the world....HOT is one of the greatest teams, with very very talented members.....But having the most points on HWB and being the first team will not make you better, or better known, it will just make you feel better about yourselves. K|ngp|n is a great overclocker, just like hipro....He is on the 23rd place on HWB or something like that, posting just 6-7 records of his. Does this mean that the guys in front of him are better clockers??? XtremeSystems is the 4th or 5th team in the top. does that mean that XS Forums is not the place that brings everybody together from evey country or forum, does that mean that XS members are not great clcokers anymore???? You guys have made a goal from being number one, point wise.... Relax guys, you are great clockers, like few in the world....Enjoy that, enjoy benching, keep breaking WR's, keep pushing the limits, and let the points be just another recognition of your value, not the first. It makes me sad to see world champions fight like that just because some ego fight with other teams about who's first, when all you guys are such great clockers :(

     

    One thing about golden chips, because I can see that the opinions are very different....Hey guys....if GOLDEN teams make regular chips seem like golden and having a truly special chip really doesn't matter...how come the guys from Thug Team still have the record for the highest clock ever???? Why didn't any other great, golden teams, break their record??? Think about that ;)

    POLICE department INTO hwbot?....

    in Submission & member moderation

    Posted

    I like team benching, for us little guys is way better to bench with a friend, than alone. Nobody was talking about "dropping team benching", so I don't know why you people even talk about this.

     

    Unfortunately Massman has a point with the example above. I know that that wouldn't happen in a million years, but seeing how the teams do everything in their power to get in front...I am beginning to have doubts. Remember....I agree with sharing hardware, but there has to be a way in which what Massman said above should be prevented, and I fear that we cannot count only on everybody's good will :(

    POLICE department INTO hwbot?....

    in Submission & member moderation

    Posted

    Yeap, pleasing everyone if pretty much undoable, however that does not mean that we should not stop rethinking rules and guidelines. HWBot is still very young as a bencher's platform and we still have to get rid of a few faults we couldn't think of in these 12-15 months.

     

    I agree with that, at one point all rules should be final, and there is some work to do before we get there.

     

     

    Lending chips and cards to fellow benchers seems very harmless and is in fact very natural. But, how would you feel if one day you have the second place in one category and the next week you're sixth, just because the one golden chip has been lend out to five members from the same team?

     

    Well....that is a fact of life, and it isn't the first time it would happen (not that I would have second place or anything like that :D ) I'm still thinking to a solution for this situation.

     

    Your solution on above problem is a good solution, absolutely, but doesn't fit HWBot's intial policy when creating the hardware points, namely presenting a place where both the big shots ánd the little guys could bench together. We want to encourage those who only have 20 points to keep benching for the team. If you change the team's points rules to "only points for the best score", the little guys will have no challenge anymore.

     

    Well....first of all, the really big guys should be an example to us all, and they should not encourage swapping good hardware just to get points for the team. Second of all, I was talking about the best result with one piece of hardware (let's say QX9650 sn: xxx, not all QX9650's that all the members of one team have). I am sure that my solution is not flawless, but it has some truth in it, so maybe some version of it could help end this debate.

     

    And you should think about another thing....Most of the problems I see people fighting about are caused by team rankings...Maybe we should think more about these rules, because I see some respected people really beginning to fight over some minor ego matters, and it is a pity... I prefer to consider them legends, to look up to them and learn something from their experience, not to see them fighting over a handful of points. Big guys should acknowledge their position, should be more aware about their influence, should have a higher moral standard than we small guys do, even if this is just a human nature issue in the end. And if they have a hard time doing that, HWBot should be the all knowingly grandfather that gently taps them on their back and helps them come back on the right track with good, clear, consistent rules. He...he....he...

     

    Monstru, please write down your ideas and contact me somehow as most of your ideas are very very good .

     

    Thank you for your words. I promise I shall write some things down and get in contact with you as soon as I get back from my holiday, which will be one of these days. Now I am still trying to recover from the new years eve party :D

    POLICE department INTO hwbot?....

    in Submission & member moderation

    Posted

    Oh my goodness problems, problems and more problems :(

     

    It seems that it is harder and harder to please everyone with the way HWBot works, and somehow you guys have to think a whole new set of rules to keep things fair for everyone.

     

    If you ask me, I disagreed with the rule that is being discussed here from the beginning, because it has some faults.

     

    I agree with the idea that same hardware shouldn't be used many times to bring more points to a team.

    I disagree with the idea that only the owner of the hardware should be able to get points using that hardware, for two reasons:

     

    1. Hardware is being bought and sold, so if you want to stop more people to get points using the same "champion CPU", for instance, you can't, because someone who benches while he has that CPU earns some points, and someone that benches after he bought that CPU from the first person also earns some points, and everything is perfectly legal accordingly to HWB rules.....

     

    2. If somebody uses a CPU lend from a friend for some benching sessions and he gets some nice results, he deserve those results, because he worked for them. In the same way, the friend that lend him that CPU also deserves his points from his benching sessions, because he also worked for his. So each one of them deserve those points. The only "entity" that should not benefit from the cumulation of points is their team.

     

    REMEMBER THIS...HWBot is about rewarding and motivating people's skill, not the purchasing of hardware. That's why I think that the points should be awarded to a person for his skill, not for owning a certain CPU or GPU

     

    That being said, I have a suggestion that will please nobody, but it will make things FAIR. Let team members bench the same hardware (top hardware is really expensive, and there are persons who can't afford some things, while they are more skilled and better clockers than others who can afford expensive HW). Let each team member have it's points. BUT use the actual rule regarding those points only for the team, so each guy can have his points BUT only the points for the best score will add to the team's total points

     

    In this way, the true spirit of HWBot will be respected, and the skilled overclockers will be rewarded, and the teams will not “cheat”. I know that all the teams suffer a little bit while reading these thoughts, but let’s keep it fair for everybody and don’t hurt the little guys because of the ego fight that is always taking place between the overclocking mammoths.

     

    Funny thing is that I have a lot of ideas about the many rules of HWB, including benching old hardware (specifically old GPU’s with new CPU’s and stuff like that) and many others, but I am very lazy to write them all down :D

    ES results?

    in Submission & member moderation

    Posted

    Having world records with ES is a very tricky bussines.....You get a good York, take it over 5.7, get a sub 8 Spi and you are king of the world. And probably 3 months later you are way down in the ranks when the really good chips come out and guys start getting >6Ghz.....better DDR3 2000 Ram....faster boards and stuff like that. So, if you think about it like that, benching ES shows that you are an important person or a person which has good conections and passion. Relatetd to HWB points it's kindda useless, don't you think? I am laughing right now when I remeber how we were all stunned with the results the big guys got with ES's 6600/6700/X6800 and we couldn't believe our eyes... A few weeks later the L628B's were out on the market and a few more weeks later the L631B's were out on the market too, and that was the real WR material :) So...probbably that benching on ES is not a really big deal after all if we are talking about comparisons and HWB points. It just shows that Fugger or Shamino or Hipro are really apreciated by the industry and that overclocking and overclockers are becoming more and more important, and that is a good thing :)

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