TASOS

There are some double and triple (same) entries in some charts.

I think it got worse , the last two days. Too many database errors , at least for me.

I had to give it a try. Sometimes things change , people change , the way of thinking changes ... I dont often have the chance to get my hands on , an expensive high-end parts (even as E.S.) I guess , i'll have to drop this opportunity. Back to the old stuff,then. /. May i request from the Clerk's Office , to have my thread noted please ? Thank you.

I honestly dont recall , it's been years like that. After all , the user's categories are somehow fresh.

Easy. The pure luck , is defined by 1 item a year , or 1 item per two years , or 1 item every three years ... and so on. Yes , i could accept that , if it worked two ways. Meaning that , retail hardware should give points only to regular users , since elite's have the exclucive privilege for E.S. Yes you are right. E.S. for elite only. Retail for the rest (only) of us. I like that scenario

No,you are mistaken , they are not. That's why i opened this thread. No again. It's obvious , that not everyone is allowed to get points with current gen E.S. hardware. And if you obtain by pure luck an E.S. hardware , that doesnt make you an elite user. Are you still not seeing it ? Read at the end of this post. I am not talking about competitions here. I am talking about regular submissions. Why not ? I am going to bench it ... right ? Why shouldnt i get points for it ? I didnt say anything at all , about that part. That's your personal speculation. That's ok with me. I may also dont care about ALL member's problems in here (for some of them , i do). It happens , that you dont care about this specific one. No problem. I believe that most of us , have more important things to do , in our real life's ... but that fact is irrelevant to the question asked here. /. The bottom line here is : By pure luck , i got my hands on a current E.S. hardware. I am not an elite member and i dont qualify to be one. Why is there such a restriction for the rest non-elite members ? If there was a seperate elite ranking , i would understand the reason not to take part in their point award system. But , since it's a unified point system for ALL members. Why should one get points and the other wont. ?

The English language is not my strong point , and it seems from the answers i'm getting , that i didnt express my thoughts correctly. I'm not questioning nor asking about the requirements needed to be an elite user. What i'm asking here is whether this privilege of beeing an elite user justifies the wright of beeing the only one allowed to get points with current gen E.S. hardware. ?

Yes , i pointed the current gen for that reason. That is elite only. At this point , i am only asking as a question , to see what people here thinking about it. Whether it seems fair or not. Moving to Elite is not an option , when you dont have the means to be an Elite.

An other tricky question , from this weird user-hobbyist (that's me) Why is it consider fair (and obviously allowed) for an elite member to gain hardware and global and HTPP and GTPP points from E.S. hardware (current gen also) ... and other members cant ? Isnt that an other example of altering ALL point awarded rankings ?

You are on a reporting streak. You've been reporting results from rookie rumble #12 These are rookie challenges , and new members should be given some time , some tolerance. As i already told you , in an other thread , it's not wrong if you want to go by the book and follow the rules on par. But ... If that's the case , check your own results first. :celebration:

He is a new member , and needs some time to get used to the hwbot system. Give him some time. You already "caused" him a blocked result for typical reason. No problem at all , if you want to go by the book. But you should look at your own results also

Not mandatory for cpu-z http://hwbot.org/news/885_application_13_rules/

Many thanks to Antinomy for this !!! Orthodox Easter holidays , coming soon. Time for some first results.

Scores cannot be edited , if it's more than 2 days time , after submission. Perhaps a result moderator can ?

As i said earlier to bones , when i quoted him , i agree with most things you wrote also. But ... As a team captain , i had to fulfill the request of my team members , to make this current issue public , so that hwbot staff can consider (again). I opened this thread and i believe it's noted by the staff. My job ends here. I'm not the one that takes decisions. Case closed.

I must say , that i agree with most things you wrote. I personally dont care about points. I'd love to see them vanish , tomorrow if possible. I'm in to overclocking too many years and i know how "the system" works. I know how the system worked , even before the HWBOT existance. I lived the era of the glorious overclocking forums. That says it all !!! The reason i opened this thread , has nothing to do , with my personal ranking or whatever. I mainly did it , cause some members of my team (new members , with current gen systems , even high-end) are complaining about the ranking systems as it stands now. Cause it very easily degrades the points earned. They are discouraged by the real fact , that an everyday high-end system , (that costs a lot of money) benchmarks to receive 1.5 points , cause it's in the same boat with the "special" hardware. "Do it for the Team" ... i tell them. But , even that ranking system is affected , by these "special" submissions. So , where does this situation lead ? They stop benching , cause they dont see their reward. "Why bother" ? ... they tell me. I see them publish their results in the local forums and they stop uploading them to HWBOT anymore. And i cant do anything , to motivate them. "Look tasos" they tell me. "The current gen Titan card , was paper launched yesterday ... and we already have tehth's of results already at HWBOT counting as retail parts" That's just one of the examples. The elite member , is what the title says. No arguments. The Elite , has his own league , has his own ranking , and for his hard-tough effort he is awarded with top ranking and hardware points and global points. So Why shouldnt there be an option for these "special" submissions only , to not participate in the Team hardware and global points ? This way , we can still offer the motivation of the Team contribution , to the everyday regular users. What is wrong with that ? I believe my point of view is very clear and there is no room for misinterpretation or getting wrong ideas (especially for the Elites) as written by some earlier (about punishment). Thank you all , for reading this.

Is that the conclusion , you came up with , after reading what i wrote ? That i want the elite users to get punished ?

Sorry , but You are turning ordinary people away , from this sport. (I still call it a hobby). My opinion is to find a solution , that the team rankings are less affected , by these kind of submissions. Elite users have their own league ... and it was made that way , for a reason.

Yes , that's it. And i have no problem with that. Glad to see them compete with each other , in their own league. But , when they belong to a team. Why does , that special hardware , have to alter the Team rankings and league ? through the global team power points and global team hardware points ?

Still here ...

I'm talking to all of YOU out there. The privileged site owner , the reviewer , the lucky lab tester , the manufacturer employee , the heavily sponsored. All you , that are happy to get once,twice,ten,twenty times a year ... every year , your brand new shinny (just released hardware) , that demolishes competition. Do you understand , that benching special hardware , inside a manufacturer's lab , under ideal conditions , is not fair to everybody ? Do you acknowledge , what an advantage there is , to submit results with a just (paper launched) high-end product and gain points for that ? Do you understand , that besides your rankings as individuals , you are heavily altering the Glogal Team Power Points ... and hardware also ? You know you can disable points for your submissions. Dont you ? I dont even bother to open a discussion about wether that specific hardware is considered RETAIL or not. Does your team , deserve those points , just because you had the opportunity to bench that special hardware ? Dont get me wrong , here. I'm not talking about , the place you take at the board. You may well deserve that 1st , 2nd ... whatever place. No problem with that. The main issue here is , about Team Rankings. Come on now. There has to be a solution. Massman ??? Those 20-30 "special users" can have a league of their own. I thought they had (to be honest) Why do they have to mess with us ? Us , regular everyday people , trying to enjoy our hobby ? Looking forward for some answers. Ethics and honesty , people.

Forum related. Too much lag (sometimes) during this week. And many database errors , randomly. What is going on ?

Catzilla and sky diver videos are set as private ?

Nice piece of hardware , you have there. !!!

First of all. Happy Birthday !!! Now. I must admit that i know a few things about old cpu's I was one of the first persons that wrote on the internet about Intel cpu markings back in 2001 ... (it was 2002 on English speaking forums , such as overclockers.com) A good old friend from the glorious Leixlip factory was the insider for me back then. Nevermind. I dont want to continue ongoing this thread , although i disagree with you in a couple of points. Perhaps , in an other place and time , just for your personal interest only. This was a memorial challenge for a person that loved hardware in general and i am glad i participated. Congrats to all participants !!!