Jump to content
HWBOT Community Forums

Antinomy

Crew
  • Posts

    1987
  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won

    53

Posts posted by Antinomy

  1. Looks like I finally got it.

     

    Overview of models, speeds and cache :

    - K7 : 500-700MHz, 512KB cache

    - K75 (Pluto) : 550-850MHz, 512KB cache

    - K75 (Orion) : 900-1000MHz, 512KB cache

    - Thunderbird (SlotA) : 650-1000MHz, 256 cache

     

    http://www.cpu-info.com/index2.php?mainid=athlon

    and via CPU World. Almost got my brain cracked because of many crossroads.

    AMD itself calls the cores as Model 1 and Model 2. Argon was the codename for K7 project. Then marketing named it as Athlon. Whole bunch of info claims there were two cores - Argon+Pluto or Argon+Orion. Some name there were three but don't specify "which or witch". Most refer to cores as to K7 (0.25) and K75 (0.18). And I thought to stop on such a marking. But...

    Finally I've found this line:

    The 1GHz Athlon was based on yet another core revision, the K75 with the codename Orion. This core revision ran at a slightly higher voltage than the Pluto K75, 1.8v instead of 1.7v.
    then I checked CPU world and found that I've been a little inattentive. Really, there is a revision with CPUID 622 which is marked as Orion. So the puzzle got together from the top.

    Orion is CPUID 622 (a new revision of K75, the 0.18um tech. process). Then

    Pluto is CPUID 621 (initial K75, based on newer 0.18um tech. process) and finally

    K7 is CPUID 612 (initial K7, 0.25um tech. process). And since the first core is usually named after the project codename, it got named "Argon".

     

     

    Anyone wanna argue? :D

  2. Since I've been asked, I'll make it clear. You both are right and Karl pointed to the right category. But he didn't explain thoroughly why, and Mr.Scott is a brainiac no less than I am. :D

    Mr.Scott, you can see two 600MHz categories - the Pluto and Orion. But the true Orion was produced only in 900-1000MHz. HWBot made erroneous categories relying on bugged CPU-Z info or for the ease to users.

    So HWBot Pluto = CPU-Z Pluto = CPUID 612 = Argon core

    whereas HWBot Orion = CPU-Z Orion = CPUID 621 = Pluto core.

     

    You can check CPUID in both categories for proof. CPU-Z correctly detects CPUID, tech. process but calls Argon and Pluto as Pluto and Orion correspondingly.

     

    You send (should) send me a txt report from CPU-Z and I'll e-mail it to Franck Dellattre, the author of CPU-Z. Then we might check this and then fix categories on HWBot.

     

     

    P.S. oh, I'm starting to remember, the core name history is even more interesting :D

  3. It might be that you've screwed the L1 mod. Not a fact but may be. It's not necessary to use a pencil but it's easier. Then some duct tape over it and you're good.

     

    Try to mod another CPU to confirm the board sets the multiplier fine. And then re-do the L1 mod on your CPU.

     

    Karl, we all were beginners. The only difference is that some of them think they know something and others work hard to raise their skills over and over again. I like the latter folks and trodas looks like one of them.

  4. Since you have a ceramic Spitfire core, why didn't you simply use a pencil to connect the L1 bridges?

    Maybe these can help you: http://fab51.com/workshop/via/duron-e.html

    http://images.people.overclockers.ru/106443.gif

    http://images.people.overclockers.ru/105398.gif

    TiN has used jumpers in socket to set the bridges: http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2004/07/30/09mobomod2.jpg

    instead of modding CPU pins.

     

    After L1 mod you should be able to set any multiplier. Maybe time to find a better board (again :D ). Abit NF7-S/AN7 should be cheap and they're great.

     

    Maybe your boards have problems with setting a multiplier. Try to check the L1 mod or do it with a pencil. And try a Thunderbird in both motherboards and whether the multiplier switches correctly or not.

  5. Do an 'old points' version (AQ3,3d01, 3d03, 3d05, 3d06, 3d99+3d2000 unchecked)

    a 'new points version (3DMV, 3D11, 3D12, Heaven, Catzilla)

     

     

    I see the best way as follows:

    1) 2D Lite (only point-awarded benchmarks, plus CPU-Z/GPU-Z)

    2) 2D full (with beta benchmarks)

    3) 3D Lite (only benchmarks with points)

    4) 3D full

     

    Instead of 2D/3D Full may be a one full package. But I recommend to do a split 2D/3D lite.

  6. Well, you've misunderstood me a bit.

    But I did not attempting to get any high scores with the card. It is too slow for that to begin with
    That is dead wrong. It's HWBot - we don't care how fast it is by itself. We card about how it compares to other submissions with this card. I've been recently benchmarking Socket 7 and believe me - that was slow! Nevertheless, I got some gold cups and points too. And a pound of pleasure.

    So the wrong point was not about using Radeon 9100 but about recapping a card that has weak memory chips. You can push the GPU in most cases. But if the memory is weak there is not too much you can do about it. Your test prove it. But anyway, your 9100 journey can help you get points.

     

    My main rants were about the MSI board :D

     

     

    The only bold advice is as follows - "Don't stop and keep pushing".

  7. trodas, I like what you're doing because you're doing something more than "crank the voltage, pour LN2 and click the soft-clock utility" what most do. I'm not pushing on you and if I really thought this suxx, I wouldn't spend my time to comment.

     

    I comment because I see efforts that are very likely to be worthless. When you spend a decent amount of time on hardware that was a bad choice from the beginning and the results are moderate at best. It's like trying to hit top results achieved on modded DFI NF2 Ultra B with an highly modded ECS/MSI board and not being able to hit even a non-modded one.

     

    Just want to keep you from early disappointment.

    BTW, the Radeon 9100 is in fact a re-branded 8500 so no wonder the share the same PCB and all the stuff ;)

×
×
  • Create New...