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    DR4G00N - D5400XS @ 456.4MHz - 456.36 MHz Reference Frequency

    in Result Discussions

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    16 hours ago, Speedy22 said:

    Your board is one of the last rev as me. Easely checkable with the skull logo stamped on the southbridge cooler. Rev 1 and 2 are only full black without logo. Let's see how far we could go^^

    I did some more testing and it's definitely the board limiting fsb, tried numerous cpu's I had around but none got any further. NB volts & VTT do nothing to help, played with the GTL's and PCIE freq also. Seems like something behind the scenes is stopping it, hangs on post code 1P (which is nothing) which is just prior to 51 (Allocating resources to the PCI bus). Sometimes gives a memory error so maybe the 5:4 mem strap is doing it, maybe I need FB-DIMM's that can do 450MHz+ @ 1:1. 

    What would have been the best DDR3 in 2008 when nehalem launched?

    in General hardware discussion

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    On 7/12/2020 at 4:48 PM, nnimrod said:

    I had no idea it was that old... I thought briefly of the SR-2, and then dismissed it because I then remembered that the SR-2 came out rather late in the game for 1366. 

    I have already put hours into picking all the components and making sure they would work together. 

     

    This all started since I finally aquired a good condition Trinitron, and am considering building a retro computer around it. Problem is I want it to be able to play Crysis, and I think 2008 is about as old as you can go and still get 40+ fps in Crysis at 1600x1200. 2008 is also a magic year because it's when Intel released the superb X-25M SSD (And X-25E). Well I suppose I'll read up on late '08 Skulltrail motherboards now.

     

    Edit: Skulltrail unfortunately can't really compete with Nehalem due to the huge gap in memory performance. Dual channel Buffered DDR2 vs. Triple channel unbuffered DDR3 is no contest. And to make it worse, some Skulltrail boards only had 4 DIMM slots.

    Skulltrail doesn't actually do too bad if your comparing dual quads vs 4c/8t Nehalem, it will actually score a fair bit higher in Cinebench and the like according to my old subs.

    Although the memory config does slow it down in memory heavy programs so it's a bit more even then. Skulltrail is also Quad channel FB-DIMM not Dual and having only 4 slots isn't really an issue since it can use 4GB or even some 8GB FB-DIMM's.

    Cinebench r11.5 with Fx-8300

    in Result Discussions

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    First off you have to use Windows 7 (or XP) for all AMD CPU's and pre-Skylake Intel CPU's unless your using the aforementioned Benchmate program. 

    Your scores do look to be pretty low but I think it's a bloated OS issue more than anything hardware related.

    You also need to fix your screenshot's, the scoring window along with the render need to be in full view and unobstructed and CPU-Z CPU & Memory tabs also need to be in the screenshot. Something like this, 

    image_id_1997691.png  

    What CPU for 3D benching?

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    Stick with Intel for 3D benching, Ryzen is pretty much useless for it except for maybe Fire Strike or Time Spy especially since it cannot run Win XP for legacy benches. Plus Ryzen lags behind by a lot if the bench only runs single-threaded GPU test's like Vantage.

    A decent 8700K is a good choice without breaking the bank plus you can use it for some proper Win XP SPi 32M when you don't feel like doing 3D.

    PKBO - GeForce GTX 260 192SP @ 850/1220MHz - 138047 marks 3DMark2001 SE

    in Result Discussions

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    14 hours ago, dwarf said:

    You are killing all of your CPU's running at 1.6 volts on water

    If it scales with that much voltage it's probably fine. Not the first time I've seen someone running a 1151 chip @ 1.6V+ on water (though I can't say I recommend it).

    Nice first place score. :)

    @avalanche Any of the ambient cooling leagues will never really be "fair competition" because it's totally dependent on where you live. It's -10C right now where I live, how is it in Australia? 20C or 30C? I think that might give me a bit of an advantage.

    If you want fair then join the Extreme league, you won't be able to complain since everyone can use whatever cooling they want.

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    Single stage - Basic noob settings

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    Posted · Edited by DR4G00N

    1 hour ago, suzuki said:

    How come others play with voltages of 1.7v on ambient cooling ,i cannot gain even 50 mhz after 5.7 on 4c/8 or 5.9 2c same voltages@1.45v.

    I feel bad knowing that there is still plenty of headroom ,voltage wise ,and my ss even in load stays ~60’s.

    Because their chips are different ofc. Alex@ro is correct, you need lower temps to scale more. My 4770K, 7350K & 8700K do the same, 2C 1.425-1.45V max on -20c chilled coolant and 1.55V max on Dice (haven't done dice with 8700k).

    Both the 4770K & 7350K have done 6.5G+ on LN2 for what it's worth (@ 1.6V & 1.87V respectively). So it doesn't mean you have a bad chip it just needs to be colder to get more out of it.

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    Cheapaz Chips 2019 Planning Thread

    in HWBOT Competitions

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    6 hours ago, yosarianilives said:

    Also I think people are grossly underestimating how incredibly slow the HD 5450, it's significantly slower than modern IGPs, probably even the past few gens tbh.

    Yeah, it's even slower than the GT 710 which was used for this a while ago. I sincerely doubt that the cpu is really going to make any difference for something this slow.

    Maybe it's a bit too slow? Even vantage would only be running in the single digits.

    Socket 603/604 Hall of Fame

    in Old School

    Posted · Edited by DR4G00N

    3 hours ago, Apfelkuchen said:

    Thank you so much guys, this kind of info is really hard to find. I'll bother you again once I run into my next issues...

     

    EDIT: Also, what would be your 604 motherboard of choice if you had the chance to pick one? Anything better than the PC-DL? I do want to run two CPUs though, not just one.

    NCCH-DL for sure, it's the newer model of the PC-DL, Supports all P4 based Xeons and has dual 4-phase vrm instead of just the one shared between both cpu's.

    Only reason I grabbed the PC-DL was because it was $20 including cpu's, hsf's & various pci cards. Works quite well with epowered vcore.

    Socket 603/604 Hall of Fame

    in Old School

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    33 minutes ago, Apfelkuchen said:

    Ah, that really sucks... got excited when I found this. Sure you can always compare results on the main site, but it's not the same a curated thread like this.

    I recently got a PC-DL and wanted to steal some knowledge. There is a list of compatible CPUs that goes up to the 1mb 533FSB versions, but I wonder if anything else can run?  And any way to get voltage control going without hardmodding the board? And any way to lock AGP so I don't screw it with FSB adjustments?

    Also I saw some results with BIOS flashed to some other boards, so I'm looking for experience on which BIOSes are suitable and give some merit.

    And lastly, how reliable these things are in OC. I want to use it for a retro system after, so I'd love to know if there are some limits I should not cross to keep it alive.

    There's one thing you can do which is to flash the bios from an NCCH-DL onto the board. This will allow it to boot a single Nocona/Irwindale CPU as well as adding VCore & VDimm options in the bios. But you need some sort of EEPROM programmer to do that easily. Mine didn't like that to much though, could only boot @ 100 - 127MHz FSB and you can't adjust the FSB via setFSB or Clockgen with the NCCH-DL bios on it. Mine also blew up one of the vcore phases and shorted the cpu to 12V when I was playing around with a nocona chip, probably just a coincidence but still, do this at your own risk.

    On the Rev 1.05 boards the AGP/PCI is locked by default, I'm not sure if the older ones have that ability.

    These boards are about as reliable as a P4C800 board, ie. a bit fragile. Running two prestonia chips at 1.6V or less would probably be fine for it though.

    Oh and the VDimm is powered off a 5V source so doing a simple potentiometer vdimm mod will allow you to crank it up to 3.4 - 3.6V for Winbond mems.

    Which socket 370 motherboard?

    in Old School

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    1 hour ago, Strunkenbold said:

    I used many IDE drives in the past and every of them managed to let me achieve over 200 MHz FSB. If you struggle at 155 MHz, it's most likely your CPU.  

    Only a few CPUs manage over 200 MHz on air. Most need at least SS to achieve this. But for some it's just impossible.

    I appreciate all those great tips in this thread. I really never thought that those cheap IDE to SATA adapters are able to handle the high PCI clocks very well. Even though I own such things, I was always too lazy to try out. 

    I have a dozen or so 133 fsb chips, I doubt all of them can't do more than ~153 fsb. I didn't get a chance to test the adapter because my cusl2 died. I tired it on my generic i815 board but it didn't seem to help.

    [FS] Cheap B-Die

    in Sold

    Posted

    Have you got your IOL/RTL's set properly? 49/50/6/6 for 4K & 50/51/6/6 for higher. And it's not the IMC, you have my screens of that chip running 4133 12-11 on mocf.

    Vdimm @ 2.0V real

    VTT @ 0.850 - 0.900V

    IO & SA @ 1.35V 

    These settings should work for 4K 12-11 at the very least. BTW have you tried running 12-12 first to see if it'll post at higher speeds? I know one of my kit's will not boot straight 4K 12-11 but it'll do up to 4133 12-11 fine if I first boot it at 4K 12-12.

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