richba5tard
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@I.nfraR.ed indeed heavily inspired by your customization!
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5 hours ago, Cautilus said:
Cheers, Rich ?, happy to help. Glad to hear most of the suggestions will get implemented eventually. Just curious if you'd be able to say which things are going to be implemented sooner and which ones later?
I'm making a planning right now.
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I agree it's a lot of effort put in by overclockers to join online competitions, I just think points is not the way to reward them for their effort. Eg a banner on their profile page saying he won a specific competition is IMHO much more appropriate.
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12 hours ago, unityofsaints said:
Ok so you approach the problem of lack of participation in competitions... by further reducing the value of competitions! ? Why not just kill them at this point? "Unnecessary server load" and all that.
Are you participating in the competitions just for points? I think most do it either for the prize money (mf competitions) or for the fun (team / country cup / old school best school / etc).
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Good write-up and happy to see people mostly agree with you @Cautilus. I should hire you for PR. ? Most of your suggestions will be implemented in rev8.x, though not all in the initial launch.
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Indeed, as oc-esports will mostly be retired and competition will mainly focus on fun and teamwork (team cup, country cup, fun challenges) or organized by a manufacturer.
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Updated rev8 / uat with the result of the polls. Top 15/30 for season, 30/60 for career.
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Closing poll. I'll use 60 so career = 2x season
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mixed results, i'll pick 15 as between 10 and 20 seems to be fine.
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Career will be 30/60, season exactly half at 15/30.
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@12AX7 was it seen as a dual core when using the previous hwbot prime 0.8.3?
Can you open a command line box and enter this command:
cmd /C WMIC CPU Get /Format:ListWhat value does it give for "NumberOfCores" ?
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8 hours ago, MetalRacer said:
How to Survive Rev3, A Walkthrough Guide.
https://hwbot.org/news/how_to_survive_rev3_a_walkthrough_guide
What people tend to forget is that rev8 is dubbed "classic" as it was my intention to go back to our roots and remove a lot of the complexity that came after rev3. Turns out a lot of the stuff added over the years is loved, but people don't realize it until you are about to take it away. Team power points, a separate league so newcomers don't need to compare against extreme overclockers, team cups, country cup, ...
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Your point is valid, and no, you would not get points for your seasonal ranking if you can't beat your past season's ranking.
I'd say there is sufficient hardware on the market for you to either push newer/different hardware in the next season, or beat your own record.
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21 hours ago, bigblock990 said:
@richba5tard I have a question about the new "seasons" in rev8. If a user rebenches the same piece of hardware year after year, do they need to always beat the previous score for it to get counted in the current season? For example if you sub 150k score 3dm03 in 2019, then in 2020 you rebench that same hardware and sub 149k does the new score count to 2020 season or not?
If people start deleting and resubmitting each year it's possible to add detection for this without moderator intervention.
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Fasttrack, that was what Pieter tried to achieve with the esports/road to pro site. Don't mind me if I don't try it twice.
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Just now, Rauf said:
The question is WHY do we have points and rankings? WHAT is to be rewarded and what should the rankings show? As long as I have been a member no one has been able to answer this. It's always been a little bit of this and a little bit of that, which meant a system that has no clear purpose. If you don't know the why and what you want to do, how can you do it properly? For me a ranking and points system should always award the best achievements. Not just hand out points arbitrarily to "everyone who wants to mess around with decent oc's".
Because when points where initially launched, participation on HWBOT boomed. Most people love points/karma/likes/kudos/whatever. It's virtual and meaningless, but people love gathering stuff.
If you don't care about point, good for you! Reason more to just say "just go live with rev8" and let me focus on other stuff than damn points for once.
Your example was bad because it did not make your point clear.
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4 minutes ago, Rauf said:
If the limit is stupid it does not matter who decides it. Here is one example of a stock cooled VGA and a very easy OC of an air cooled CPU: https://uat.hwbot.org/submission/3557369_gorod_3dmark___fire_strike_geforce_gtx_1070_20223_marks
It gets 33 hw points. You can run the 1070 through all modern or semi-modern 3D and get around 30 points easy with all air/water and very small OC
That's a bad example. All submissions with a 1070 which scored about the same use extreme cooling. This is not an example of unfair points, but of either a very good chip or a user which did not change the "stock cooling" default to the cooling he used.
Chilled water: https://uat.hwbot.org/submission/3929098_totalnet_3dmark___fire_strike_geforce_gtx_1070_20653_marks/
7 minutes ago, Rauf said:For me the fewer results that give points the more you have to focus on quality of your subs and makes it less of a money game. Even if it always will be a money game, you can limit it as best you can.
The more you limit the amount of submissions, the more money comes into play. Yet you suggest the opposite. What is more expensive? Using LN2 and top end cpu/memory/mobo to get the most out of your GTX 1070 for one benchmark, or using air/water and do 10 benchmarks with your GTX 1070? Obviously the latter is cheaper.
HWBOT has always been about the compromise between showing of world records which are crazy to achieve both in skill and money, and making it fun for the community who just wants to mess around with decent oc's and improved cooling. We don't benefit from excluding either party, but we can't make it ideal for both.
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1 hour ago, Rauf said:
Looking at the votes...for instance 50 hw submission in seasonal ranking... It seems hwbot always wants to promote spamming results. I thought overclocking was about PUSHING HW TO THE MAXIMUM. With rev 8 it will turn even more into rewarding users to run large amounts of hw at stock or just slightly overclocked. How do we promote actual overclocking by this? Tell a new user to spend one week optimizing OS, drivers, cooling etc and he gains 10 points. Another users buys 10 new pieces of hw and runs them at stock through all benchmarks - he gains a thousand points...good balance?
I really want to like and support hwbot, but with every new revision hwbot is killing itself more and more.
@richba5tard BTW, looking at the rankings I see several top results are missing since the rev 7 migration. Will you make sure this does not happen again? For example almost all of my single 1080 ti submissions are missing: FS, FSX, catzillas, 3Dmark11. I also see that results from Kingpin are missing so it is not isolated to me...
It's not ok if the crew decides the limit and it's not ok if the community decides the limit.
Can you give a concrete example where you can buy 10 new pieces of hardware and them a stock speed to gain thousands of points? No vague complaints please.
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I know the feelings are mixed about seasons, but I really like on UAT you have a ranking of active overclockers.
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Indeed, not ATP style but starts on 1st jan - end 31 dec
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Poll is indeed inconclusive, slightly in favor of simplifying. It will depend on my spare development time whether I will simplify it, but it will remain as-is in initial rev8 launch.
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9 hours ago, websmile said:
a twelve months span, but I am not sure how it is handled, like on comp points now or for a year so you lose points for march 2018 and they are replaced by points for 2019 march (or not if you don´t have nay)
Current year, not 12 months span. So 2019 points, 2020 points, etc.
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It is! It's called other.
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hwbot "classic" rev8
in HWBOT Development: bugs, features and suggestions
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Added league support for career rankings on UAT server.