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  1. Considering you only get points from 1 division, so long as there is at least one division H2O can fairly participate in, it's fine. And whatcha know, there's two divisions that are ambient locked. Heck you could probably be competitive in every non-ambient division except for div 1 (and probably div 2) with a good enough 1151 chip on water. So I don't see what your problem is here, as your 8086K could easily compete in div 3 and your 4790K in div 7.
  2. I keep seeing this issue of competition points being "stripped" or "removed" from older members. The institution of a top5/top10 (as opposed to unlimited) for career comp points doesn't really strip away comp points from anyone, if you placed 1st in a bunch of big OC events in like 2010, then those points will still be here, counting towards your ranking if you don't have any other better results. Even under rev7, as George points out, comp points evaporated after 12 months and I didn't see people getting all riled up about their comp points being "stripped" even though that is exactly what was happening. In actuality, under rev8, older members will be getting more comp points on a permanent basis then they ever have been (if comp points always had a 12 month expiry in the past before rev7 - feel free to correct me if this isn't the case). I also agree with the other point George makes, that for newer people trying to catch up, it will most likely take significantly longer to accumulate a similar number of points to older members, because the number of competitions every year has started rapidly decreasing. Here's a graph that illustrates this, with competition data taken from here. Just to put some numbers on this, if you participated in 50% of comps from 2013 - 2018 (making a simplifying assumption that all comps give the exact same amount of points), and if there were only 45 comps per year for the forseeable future, it would take just over 12 years for the new member to catch up at the same participation rate, and only if you stopped participating in any comps. What kind of bullshit is that? And even if we dismiss the fact that it might take significantly longer for new members to be on an equal footing with older members, if older members continue to participate in new competitions, then there's the hypothetical scenario where an older member will always have more competition points, regardless of how much time a new member puts in. The fact that is possible with unlimited career comp points is a tremendous issue. I don't see why we wouldn't want to improve the system to promote equality for all members going into the future, rather than advancing the interests of older members at the expense of new members.
  3. You don't need a bridge or some kind of external interconnect (SLI/NVLINK/Crossfire) to use multiple GPUs for GPUPI.
  4. That's entirely unfair. There were many competitions in the past that new people are incapable of participating in and receiving points from, so you're basically just allowing people who've been here since 2006 like thousands of extra points that literally no one else can ever get. I think competitions should make an impact, but there needs to be a cap so that new people can eventually be competitive, by putting in the time, in new competitions that they are capable of participating in.
  5. Alright so after some discussion with other members, @richba5tard I have a few more suggestions for future minor revisions (probably for the March Rev8.2): Career ranking should include top 5 or top 10 competitions, I think competitions should have some sort of persistent effect, and limiting it to top 5 or top 10 should ensure that people who haven't been around as long as others won't be unfairly disadvatanged by a large margin. Seasonal ranking should just simply include all competition results for that season, just to simplify wording instead of "top 5 comps" or whatever. We should be able to see where you placed in seasonal leagues in the past, I think this will help improve the meaning/usefulness of seasonal ranking, so that the ranking won't feel like it's for nothing and just evaporate after 31st December. e.g. just add a new section on your profile that says something like: "2018 season - achieved 9th in enthusiast league, 5th in Australia etc." Comps need to have a better method for assigning points to participants, as at the moment I think they're a bit arbitrary with some getting more or getting less. I think a primary contributing factor should be the number of participants/submissions, more people/subs -> more points, capping at say 50 participants? Socket points or socket rankings sound like a good idea.
  6. @MrGenius your points aren't gone, it's just at the moment, your team position is based on your seasonal submissions (i.e. subs you've made in the 2019 season, this year). But, any subs you've made prior to 2019 are incorporated into your career ranking. I believe Richba5tard is going to improve on this in a couple of weeks, but this is how it is for now.
  7. Yeah I know we had that thread, but as you can see the result of the poll was inconclusive because it was split roughly half and half, so we need to find a compromise that both sides are going to agree to, so we can have community consensus. There were lots of opinions and ideas thrown around, but it's hard to see what ideas have support or not, and I don't think there was a firm consensus that most people agreed upon. That's why I'm suggesting structured debate/polling so we can see where the community's heads are at so that we can reach a compromise and thus consensus. E.g. like: Q1 Would you implement the changes to member leagues as outlined in Cautilus' Rev8 proposal? Yes/No Q2 Would you implement a 4 league solution with SS and all chillers included in Enthusiast (Novice/Enthusiast/Extreme/Elite - extra details would be contained in the post)? Yes/No Q3 Would you implement a 3 league solution (Novice/Non-sponsered/Sponsered - extra details would be contained in the post)? Yes/No Then people can debate the various options presented or iterate on those ideas to make better ideas, and hopefully we'll arrive at a sufficiently accepted conclusion. I don't think we should make a drastic change to the system because 52% of the community voted in favour of it, we need to find something that should have 60 or 70% support, if it exists.
  8. Cheers, Rich 😄, happy to help. Glad to hear most of the suggestions will get implemented eventually. Just curious if you'd be able to say which things are going to be implemented sooner and which ones later? Also re: all the people discussing leagues, I think it is a very hot button topic that requires more structured debate/polling, as we need to gauge opinion on the various suggestions/ideas that have been put forward. I firmly believe we should have a community consensus before moving forward with any changes, therefore postponing any changes to leagues is probably a good idea.
  9. Just so George doesn't look silly, I actually added this in the post after he commented about it/mentioned it to me.
  10. I'm thinking of leaving this up for at least a few days to gather discussion/ideas and hopefully garner approval from the administration, and if they give the thumbs up, then either I or the admins would make a poll for the community to decide whether to approve the proposal or not.
  11. Cautilus' Rev 8 proposal I've decided to put together all my thoughts regarding Rev8 in this post rather than cluttering up the main Rev8 thread, I'm happy to discuss anything that hasn't already been discussed, like my proposed profile redesign. Submissions counting towards rankings Career: 30GL + 50HW Seasonal: 15GL + 30HW After reviewing the threads for the polls, I think there is a consensus that lots of submissions should count towards to your career ranking. This makes sense, as it is meant to be a permanant ranking. Where there's been some discussion is for seasonal ranking. I agree that 50 HW subs per year seems a bit much, so I think 15 + 30 is a good compromise between too little and too much. Member leagues Leagues should be somewhat simplified as per my thoughts here: 4 leagues: Novice - An introductory 3 month league. Enthusiast - Ambient benchers but also weak chillers and low ambient benchers due to the difficulty in validating these sorts of things. Also there's probably tons of cheated subs anyway, and that'd be a pain in the arse to clean up. Extreme - Strong chillers, Single stage, cascade, dice, LN2, LHe. Elite - As per Bones' suggestion. You will need to qualify for Elite on a seasonal (yearly) basis, so just because you used ES in 2010, doesn't mean you're stuck in Elite forever. You will move between Elite and whatever league you were in before in both seasonal and career rankings. As for what should make you qualify for Elite? Probably up to the moderation team. I imagine sponsership/using ES would get you there, something like that. I go into some of my reasoning for having more leagues here. I think this is a good compromise between the 2 leagues and 6 leagues suggestions, that should make both sides satisified. And considering there is significant support for either side of the debate, I don't think we should simplify it, as that removes functionality that almost half of the community wants. The new split between Enthusiast and Extreme should hopefully be less difficult to moderate, as Enthusisast should bottom out at like 0 to -10C, whilst Extreme will be like -35C and below, and therefore clocks/voltages should be fairly different. Profile redesign and adding leagues to career ranking and worldwide ranking to seasonal ranking Both career and seasonal ranking should have leagues, I don't see why only seasonal should have leagues but your career ranking doesn't. Similarly, seasonal ranking should have a worldwide ranking like career ranking has. This way, we have consistent ranking types for both career and seasonal rankings. No arbitrary "worldwide is only career ranking" and "career doesn't get leagues". Now both rankings are on equal footing. Global and hardware cup statistics are moved to a new "Masters Ranking and Accolades" box, which also has your GL Masters, HW Masters, achievement and challenges stats. I think this is better than the current design because it puts cups front and centre and makes them easier to look at, rather having to look to the right hand side of your profile at some random point down the page to see them. This also means other stuff on the right is moved up and perhaps other things can be included on the right, like something from the forums perhaps, or HWBOT news posts. I've created a mockup of how I think profiles should look - something like this: Benchmarks available for points I think we should hold polls for adding any new benchmarks for global points. We've removed a bunch of benchmarks from having them, but we should see if the community would like to add any. For example I think Superposition would be a good candidate for 3D, but obviously open to any thoughts on that. O.S. used as a mandatory field for new submissions As per the majority 'yes' response over here, O.S. used should become a mandatory field for new submissions. Competitions Every year there should be the Country Cup and Team Cup. They should be on opposite sides of the year so that people don't get burnt out. I would suggest Feb - April for Country Cup and Aug - Oct for Team Cup. This also means the cups will avoid the end of year holiday seasons and whatnot so they won't interfere with family and whatever. Furthermore I think there should be more individual tournaments on a regular basis. I think quarterly tournaments that run for 2 months, with 1 month of downtime/prep time in between would be good. Tournament details should be released once the previous one has ended to allow people sufficient time to prepare. They should probably be named after the season they start in, e.g. HWBOT 2019 Winter Tournament. I haven't participated in any individual comps myself, so I'm happy to hear feedback on this. I think having regularly scheduled tournaments is good and should hopefully have decent participation. As for competition points I'm not really fussed about them, so I'm fine with including them in seasonal points, as per what's been announced thus far. Your competition points that add to your seasonal ranking will be derived from your overall position in each quarterly individual tournament, as well as your team's position in the two larger comps, TC & CC. Achievements Any achievements that cause unnecessary server load should be cut, I'm sure most people won't mind achievements disappearing if it means better server stability/performance. Achievement showcase will be limited to two achievements, as there's less space now. Perhaps achievements could be moved to the sidebar?
  12. I've recently noticed that I can't post in the HWBOT Marketplace For Sale forum anymore. I know there was some discussion about introducing marketplace restrictions, but I would've thought the administration would make a formal announcement if they actually did put restrictions in place. So I'd like to ask two things: What exactly are the new restrictions? Why weren't they publicly announced?
  13. I'm not sure why career/season points are changing to top 30 subs (hw+global) because there was significant pushback from the community on this in favour keeping the top XX global + top YY hardware system. We can see multiple responses from people with lots of support from others who question and disapprove of this change: GeorgeStorm WhiteWulfe Mr Scott Changing to top 30 subs will diminsh the impact of HW points because globals/wr are worth a lot more. This wouldn't be an issue if hardware and global rankings received similar amounts of points. @richba5tard So why are we changing it to bias towards higher-end hardware? I think having X globals + Y hardware means you can be equally rewarded for benching the latest and greatest whilst also going after some older but awesome hardware. I don't think I've seen many people in this thread support this shift as opposed to keeping it as is (or something similar to as is, perhaps top 10 global + top 30 hardware if you wanna cut down on the number of subs contributing to career/seasonal ranking). If your main arugment is "to simplify it", I think that's rubbish, because is the current system really that hard to explain? We already have these seperate global and hardware rankings that need to be explained to people, how hard is it to explain that they both must contribute separately to your ranking? If you're not convinced then I would at least request you put up a vote with a duration of a few weeks to see what the community thinks.
  14. I would agree with some marketplace restrictions, with formal rules & consequences for bad behaviour.
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