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On the RealBbench section, there are two same links: - the diskete, witch should be download link, but it is just same as the homepage link later: - the homepage, witch take people to Asus page: http://rog.asus.com/rog-pro/realbench-v2-leaderboard/ While yes, it is possible to download the RealBench there: http://rog.asus.com/file/?download=RealBench_v2.41.zip ...it might be the link on the download button. It also might not be Asus-modified RealBench (logo), but HWbot link, that does not expire or get changed and do not promote Asus that much (see the recent choice of images for the GTX 970 and GTX 980 cards debate).

Oh my... amazing score, thanks for the sharing! There is the answer - could ASRock 775Dual-VSTA run with Core 2 Duo E8600? It can! That is good. I presume you use the moded bios that added support for the Wolfsdale series of CPUs?

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WoW. But... why one Titan X, when I see two on the picture? Also GPU-Z is reporting multi GPU config, so why not SLI? And the overclock is impressive for just watercooling, congratulations.

Well, it was not there before... So I say that this is fixed... untill someone else come up and say he have similar problem, I would say - GREAT WORK to Taipei

Absolutely stunning speed... but... why x32 version of CPU-Z? You have a nice 64bit CPU, mate! Also I wonder, if the system is stable enought for 1024M run. Can it go, or does it require a bit slower clocks? 6.3GHz is impressive. So... not enought LN2?

Cleared the cache and... look! Suddently, there is, at the end of every score, now this nice box: And yes, it works: 1st comment: http://hwbot.org/submission/2512051_christian_ney_reference_clock_775dual_vsta_355.16_mhz 2nd comment: http://hwbot.org/submission/2430766_ludek_reference_clock_775i65g_352.44_mhz So I would say that this is fixed. Thank you very much, finally it works!

352,44MHz is very good result, give the maximum FSB settings in bios is 300MHz SetFSB rules and it is interesting, that you can take the mobo that far away from the 300MHz... 2.4V to the poor NB chip must be helping a lot Congratulations!

Well, since the ASRock 775Dual-VSTA offer bios setting of FSB up to 340MHz only (including the latet nonofficial v3.19a bios), then 355MHz is IMHO pretty good job, congratulations! Your mobo is showing up some pretty goot OC potencial!

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I did not want to scare the poor board just yet... :-) ...but on serious note, w/o increasing the Vcore, we should not realistically expect that the Celeron will run at 3.6GHz stable, when it is just a 2.8GHz chip.

You really think that I should push that hard? After all, it is just a testing Celeon... I'm affraid that I end up clearing the bios )) Not to mention I should probably flash the latest beta bios, because it add support for 4G ram and 45nm CPU's, such as E6300/E7600 ;-) http://pctreiber.net/asrock-bios-downloads?did=103 That would be probably worth to try hard. And the crashing CPU test (at the end) of 3DMark 03 and 05 (but not 99, 00, 01 and 06) is what puzzle me more ATM that possibility to reach high clocks... PS. tried the 170MHz FSB on the latest official bios - WinXP booted just fine, then flick and crash to BDSD. Win32 something dll So no, probably it cannot get higher with that CPU. Flashed the beta 3.19a bios, no visible changes (except added option in the CPU page, but that it is).

This is another 775 mobo I get for the sole purpose of fun and pushing the AGP limit(s) with some serious CPU's. The mobo does support not only AGP, but also PCIe and not only DDR(1) rams, but DDR2 as well: http://hwbot.org/hardware/motherboard/775dual_vsta/ So, it is a remarkable piece of hardware Also after updating the bios to latest official P3.10 version ( http://www.asrock.com/mb/VIA/775Dual-VSTA/ ), there are plenty of bios options to play. More that I imagined: And that is not all! There are existing modified bioses ( http://pctreiber.net/asrock-bios-downloads?did=103 ) that since v3.10a give the possibility to boost the maximum supported ram from 2G (2x1G, you cannot use DDR and DDR2 rams at once, lol) to 4G (2x2G sticks). Current unofficial bios version is 3.19a. Of course the really available ram on 32bit systems are something around 3.3GBy (all the buffers and your GFX card memory must fit into 4G address space), but it is still a good leap forward, compared to being stuck with "just 2G of ram." What attract me on the board is 4 phase regulator and good overclockability. When the poor Celeron D 336 on ASRock 775i65G R3.0 hit the wall at FSB 154 ( http://valid.canardpc.com/lregg7 ), the same CPU is not having problems at FSB 164 with this mobo ( http://valid.canardpc.com/rnd2tg ) and when pushed beyond stability, then 175MHz FSB is possible: http://valid.canardpc.com/fxw94m Sure, sure, 3677MHz from 2.8GHz CPU is nothing spectacular, but w/o incrasing the Vcore it is not actually bad And it looks like that incrasing Vcore could be done by just replacing one SMD resistor with zero resistance to another SMD resistor: http://www.controsensi.it/Mods/4CoreDual-SATA2/Contents_Eng.htm That is quite good and what it even better is, that near the CPU socket, there are place for 4 (!) stolen CAPS for Vcore regulator! That empty places could get very nice polymer (and small-enought to fit under the heatsink mount) caps. And on the bottom side, there is place just under the CPU for two serious tantal-polymer caps :nana: So I see a big potencial in this mobo. Just if I understand the settings a bit... PS. flashing bios is a "little" nightmare, the mobo refuse to boot from CD I create (all other computers do boot), USB flash... and when it finally boot from floppy, not even uniflash was able to flash the bios...! So beware, you really need to use the Windows flasher and NOT latest version but v4.xx (v4.48 from there works: https://www.wimsbios.com/amiflasher.jsp ) as mentioned in this guide (page 2): http://pctreiber.net/2006/howto-biosflash-asrock-motherboards.html For future reference, there is the latest 3.19a bios WITH the flashing tool: http://depositfiles.com/files/9ran5etgd http://www.mediafire.com/?x4518tmwc312wsg https://mega.co.nz/#!PYMX1CaB!p7lk1NkWWSCv86ykDNRYwvWM4mTDVWh0UYbt2nEnsdU

Slight BUMP for not being able to comment on others scores. Not even on mine... with the exception when I add the comment during score submitting - then there is the comment. But not any other times Entering forum nick and pass there: Cause only this message: ... Once again - I did not wanted to create any account. I already have it. I need to link my HWbot and my HWbot forum accounts. That it is. This is not possible, or what I doing wrong?

Well, I did not. Upon your suggestion I tried SetFSB in Win to force higher FSB from the "basic" 164MHz: Tried 170: http://valid.canardpc.com/vyznij ...and then 175: http://valid.canardpc.com/fxw94m And after a while at FSB 175 the BSOD visited me Luckily I managed to save the screens and CPU-Z validation before So yep, there is probably something in the bios, that is preventing 165MHz to work. Maybe 166, 167 or 168 will boot to Win, just not be entierly stable? As the 3DMark go, even 3DMark 2006 CPU tests worked just fine at 164MHz: http://hwbot.org/submission/2913960_trodas_3dmark06_radeon_9600_xt_713_marks ...so the problem is not in CPU, but rather (as the BSOD info sometimes visible) in the ATI drivers / AGP settings: The most interesting part is, that the test finished and at the end, when all was left to do is switch the screen / resolution - then the error happen. Not before. Never before. So it is not about CPU stability, as the other tests tend to suggest, but something into the AGP settings. Sadly these settings are too complicated and I never seen settings like that ever: Suggestions welcome. Tried incrasing the AGP voltage, but no luck. Enabled (from Auto) the AGP 3.0 Calibration and DBI Function (whatever that means?) and no change. Tried enable FastWrites and seen polygon errors during the CPU test only (?!) and same crash at the end of the CPU test, as before. Back to disabled state

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Okay, next time I won't report before a hour or two pases to prevent alse alarms.

Much better! Thank you!

websmile - of course that with plenty of volts going thru the poor rams they will support some crazy 3-2-2-8 timings as shown: http://www.anandtech.com/show/1951/7 So yes, the votage limit is challenging. But life will be booring w/o some challenges, right? Also considering the longetivity, I should probably not push too much voltage into these poor ram chips, right? 2.1V sounds about right to me, maybe 2.2V... but that it is for not hurting the longetivity...? I find that is possible to buy G-Skill DDR2 2GB 800MHz CL4 (2x1GB) F2-6400CL4D-2GBPK rams: http://pameti.heureka.cz/g-skill-ddr2-2gb-800mhz-cl4-2x1gb-f2-6400cl4d-2gbpk/specifikace/#section'>http://pameti.heureka.cz/g-skill-ddr2-2gb-800mhz-cl4-2x1gb-f2-6400cl4d-2gbpk/specifikace/#section ...however according to this list of specifications: http://ramlist.i4memory.com/ddr2/'>http://ramlist.i4memory.com/ddr2/ ...the chips on these rams are either Powerchip, Elpida or ProMOS, so it is an open question, how well they can overclock and if they can on lower clocks run with better timings (and how much better?)... I.nfraR.ed - 3-3-3-8 is good, at 446MHz it is awesome, 2T not that much Also this is on AMD, so it is a bit different ballpark. Your score is pretty good never the less A good example of how, even with low-binned stuff, is possible to reach very interesting results. http://hwbot.org/submission/2306681_i.nfrar.ed_3dmark03_geforce_fx_5900_xt_9438_marks :celebration: :ws: Hopefully some higher-end rams could give me better timings with lower clockrates & lover voltages. It would be interesting to know, what FSB:MEM divider will be used, when I use the DDR2 rams. Probably quite different for various CPU's and their default FSB speeds (Celeron 533MHz, P4 800MHz, Core 2 Duo 1066MHz)... So, knowing the resulting clocks might be a good start. Meanwhile I noticed, that using highly clocked DDR2 rams (teamed with lame Celeron D 336 with Presscot core) is possible to seriously improve Cinebench 2003 score - I reached 256 points, but this guy get a 327 points: http://hwbot.org/submission/2762290_deocer_cinebench___2003_celeron_336_327_points Sure, 4.3GHz vs 3.4GHz play probably major role (1.264x faster clock), but still there is (even with CL4 timings) is a bit faster increase (1.277x faster) that could be explained with just CPU clock increase. DDR2 is likely to add some speed as well then! odbytorq - And how far they take 3-2-2-8 timings with 2.1V? Just asking to know... because it might be very interesting to see and compare. I cannot comment on that, because when I tried to measure what DDR2 voltage is used, then on all the empty capacitors around the rams I get either input 5V for the regulators, or 1.3V, with is too low for DDR1 or DDR2. So probably I need to measure on other caps from the bottom to see, what voltages they give on what settings. And since I have zero DDR2 sticks to try, then it is a open question, what will happen and how DFI P35 and Asus X38 compare to ASRock 775Dual-VSTA in terms of ram overclocking / stability / voltage / possibilities. There are stunning bios settings for the ram settings on ASRock 775Dual-VSTA, however I did not understand most of them and I have my doubts that anyone will provide usefull suggestions about how to try play with these settings in order to get maximum from given rams. Please bear in mind, that there are not only the standard timing settings (CAS, TRCD, TRP, TRAS, TRFC, TRRD, TRTP, TWTR, TWR, DRAM Bus Selection, DRAM Command Rate, DRAM Bank Interleave), but there is more that one page full of drive settings for too much things about rams, that I never seen before in my life. So I feel a bit lost there... Yep, the timings are promising, however 2.3V is not likely to happen. So I quoted them more likely as example, that with high voltages, one can get pretty far. Also testing on unique Gigabyte EP45-UD3R mobo does nowhere near suggest, what will happen on entierly different mainboard... Of course we can try and see. But with lower voltage are more likely that some of the Crucial Balistix ram could run stable with tight timings, right? K404 - You re right. My wording is bad. I should write about increasing the chances, not about guarantees There is no guarantee in overclocking. I recap everything, just getting the caps is hard and time-consupting process. When I get caps, even the ASRock 775Dual-VSTA get recapped. There are very good possibilities to add *PLENTY* of quality caps, increasing the stability when overclocking seriously But the voltmods are different. I would like the board / rams to last. So I did not want to push much... Also for normal usage, I like when the board did not have added cables and stuff. So when voltmoding it, then soldering different resistor to permamently increase Vcore by 10 or 12%... that kind of voltmod I probably do. But I did not want get into ram-frying fenzy with the voltags After all, it is very likely, that the ram clocks I will end up with, won't be that high, so it might not be that hard to find rams that can do really tight timings. Hmmm. That sounds more likely that your capacitors are dying, but that is just my wild quess. Sadly. This is quite fast test of basic stability. What is SPi32M stable, it is mostly pretty stable for everything else. Only once I hit an exception from this rule... but that is for another thread: http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?p=382257 Yep, witch is why I want to keep the voltages relatively low. There is lifetime warranty on these G-Skill DDR2 2GB 800MHz CL4 (2x1GB) F2-6400CL4D-2GBPK rams: http://pameti.heureka.cz/g-skill-ddr2-2gb-800mhz-cl4-2x1gb-f2-6400cl4d-2gbpk/ ...but they have either Powerchip, Elpida or ProMOS chips, according to this: http://ramlist.i4memory.com/ddr2/ So while I like their operating voltage (1.9 to 2.0V), it is pretty unclear if they can run at tighter timings while working on slower clocks... frag_ - From the link: So what I take from this is, that getting early Corsair 8000UL sticks gives me best chance for stable operation at tight latency 3-2-2 (I believe that the 1 at TRAS is error, this is not even possible to set in bios!) with 2.1V. But does such sticks exist in 2x1024MB sizes? Schmuckley - Well, thanks for advice on how to *NOT* run these poor memory sticks I woud like to have them for a *LONG* time and run them well, so... I stay away from 2.36V. If Micron D9Gxx chips are rated for 1.8V, then it makes sense that they die, especially if the voltage regulator on your mobo is not very good, producing voltage ripple and spikes ... witch mobo is the killer for your poor sticks, mate?

Usually, when I overclocking, I find that there is the maximum overclock (FSB/CPU) that let me boot into Windows. Then, about 5 to 10MHz lower on the FSB (usually over 200MHz for the CPU clock) is the machine semistable for benching. And real stability happens futher down the road, about 15 to 20MHz on the FSB and 300+MHz on the max. CPU clock. A good example is my recent experiments on stock (not ever recapped, sadly, yet) ASRock 775i65G R3.0 mobo: default X6800: http://valid.canardpc.com/d6wa6r - 2.93GHz (FSB 266) stable: http://valid.canardpc.com/rjg1fw - 3.14GHz (FSB 286) benchable: http://valid.canardpc.com/i68sc4 - 3.25GHz (FSB 296) max OC: http://valid.canardpc.com/557qcn - 3.29GHz (FSB 300) To put it shot, veriety benchmarks need settings around 292 to 296MHz FSB to sucesfully run. Still is possible to boot at 300MHz FSB to Windows. And the 100% stability is only guaranteed at way down to 286MHz. Usually every board I was overclocking was like that. Wide margin of semistable opration before hiting the upper limit. I believe that this is normal situation. ... What lead to this thread was my recent experience with ASRock 775Dual-VSTA. W/O any mods (the board is *SCREAMING* to get added caps where they are stolen!) I put the crappiest CPU from the 775 socket line that I have into it (Celeron D 336) and the board surprised me. It cannot change Vcore, so I thought that around 150, 155MHz will be the absolute limit. It get me all the way to 164MHz. Okay, 4 phases, better design - so be it. Good. But what make my head spin is, that at 165MHz it cannot boot to Windows. However at 164MHz it not only can boot to Win, but it can perform Super Pi 32M test: http://hwbot.org/submission/2912173_trodas_superpi___32m_celeron_336_46min_24sec_125ms wPrime 1024M test: http://hwbot.org/submission/2913115_trodas_wprime___1024m_celeron_336_54min_7sec_374ms ...and everything I thrown at it: http://hwbot.org/submission/2911685_trodas_pcmark_2004_celeron_336_4526_marks http://hwbot.org/submission/2913095_trodas_3dmark2001_se_radeon_9600_xt_11811_marks ...including Windows XP SP3 install... That is very surprising to me, since I never ever experienced overclocking on board, witch have zero unstability margin. 165MHz = cannot perform Win boot, 164MHz = everything works just fine! ... So I would like to ask others, if anyone ever experienced something like that. Or if that is unique experience. Or what are your thoughts about this. PS. sadly I must admit that I find something that crash at FSB 164 - when I run the 3DMark 2003 and 2005 at default settings, eg. including the CPU tests, these CPU tests fail, complaining about memory address xxx cannot write to address xxx... So it is not stable and it is not because of the mobo or something, since dramatically lowering the FSB to 158MHz fix this. Maybe I could still tweak this by tweaking the "as fast, as they can post and pass memtest" ram settings, tough. Still, SuperPi 32M and wPrime 1024M tests do pass repeatedly at 164MHz and at 165MHz I cannot boot into Windows. Such short margin I never experienced yet. Or could be, that this is related to the not very demanding Celeron D 336 CPU and with more demanding, normal CPU like the Core 2 Duo X6800 Extreme it will return back to "normal" situation, where there is a margin of semistable operation?

My old testing trusty Celeron D 336 is not represented by any image: http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/celeron_336/ So I picked one nice image of the CPU to represet it well: Please add image for this CPU, thanks! :celebration:

To make things easier for the rest, from there: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/java-archive-downloads-javase6-419409.html I downloaded the Java 1.6.18 runtimes for both x86 and x64, packed into zip archive and uploaded on few hostings: http://www.uloz.to/xvSncqfL/java-runtimes-1-6-18-x86-and-x64-zip http://dfiles.eu/files/cimt73sy1 https://mega.co.nz/#!SQlzSYba!e6a4M0Jw5AFWik8n7UmnRfAfbYOoJKJjuDi99f-cQkE http://rapidgator.net/file/8de530123d8de19a4e236dbc780eee21/Java_runtimes_1.6.18_x86_and_x64.zip.html http://www.mediafire.com/?ayydedmxyrv57jz https://www.oboom.com/FR1LCV6X ...so people are not need to go thru the tiresome Oracle registration BS. The username must be email (weird, why not just nick?) and the pass must contain numbers AND some capital leter(s). This is insane "security" for just what? Downloading a runtime? Oh, come on...

Hmmm, after about 1h are the scores visible. So maybe that is false alert and one need to waaaaaaaait a bit longer?

Good work, hoooray for more cleaned up nF2 boards

Todays I submited two Cinebench scores: http://hwbot.org/submission/2913106_ - Cinebench 2003, 256 points, lame Celeron D 336 at 3.4GHz hardly can do more, lol http://hwbot.org/submission/2913104_ - Cinebench 11.5, 0.38 points, lame Celeron D 336 at 3.4GHz took his time to make this one... Both are "prepopulated" by previous submissions and both are made on the ASRock 775Dual-VSTA mobo. However unlike plenty of other scores I made, these two are NOT visible on the mainboard score page: http://hwbot.org/hardware/motherboard/775dual_vsta/ It is IMHO good to be noted, that: - all other scores I made on the mobo are well visible - even scores that was not previously made on the mobo are visible (MaxxMem, 3DMark 99, MemoryClock ...so it is like... weird bug. I try some more scores that was not even made (or are not just recognized as belonging under the ASRock 775Dual-VSTA?), like the HWbot Prime and we see, but the Cinebench scores are weird. Not that they are somewhat groundbreaking, lol. W/O volt mod is the 3.4GHz overclock the fastest I can manage for the Celeron D 336 with Presscot core, slow chip as hell...