minicoopers Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 This score doesn't fit to the hardware. Please deltet it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 0.0 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 In what way doesn't it fit? Is it because the CPU can be unlocked to use an additional 40+ bins instead of the limited unlock of 4 bins? Is it because XTU software will not acknowledge such an unlock and will display Intels defined limits but will correctly report frequencies and bench score? Is it because with beefier hardware, good DRAM and cooling it could easily pass a score of 600 taking first place over desktop dual cores? A single heat-pipe and 2 phases isn't exactly extreme on this laptop lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENiEBEN Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 ME unlock or hardware? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 0.0 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Neither. Done through BIOS Firmware modification as explained when i7-4700MQ was unlocked. Only one user showed any interest and successfully unlocked his own CPU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENiEBEN Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Made me curios, bios doesn't control cpu settings in this generation, the ME firmware does, but then that's inside the bios so you're kind of right. Possible on all all M CPUs? I'll take another look over the whitepapers, don't know what registers are involved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhenzjhen Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 > Done through BIOS Firmware modification I'm really curious how you did this? So, basically you dumped the BIOS FW modified (blck/multi) and reflashed back? coreboot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheMadDutchDude Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 From what I remember, you are able to change the multiplier on this chip before a certain microcode update (based on his thread). I don't remember entirely. I do remember seeing a thread though, and I was intrigued by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 0.0 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Made me curios, bios doesn't control cpu settings in this generation, the ME firmware does, but then that's inside the bios so you're kind of right. Possible on all all M CPUs? I'll take another look over the whitepapers, don't know what registers are involved I see ME Firmware and BIOS firmware as 2 different firmwares although they exist on the same chip as different regions, same as you think if I have understood you correctly. Here's the submission link it was discussed under mainly with user ice.cold who also shared some useful findings. http://hwbot.org/submission/2830783_ My own gut feeling is that programmable ratio's are required and perhaps one of the reasons why non-k Haswell desktop CPU's don't have the limited unlocked bins the previous 2 generations enjoyed. I could be wrong though. Not so important with the mobile CPU's if they are unlocked as most systems have a hard enough time keeping things cool at stock, let alone overclocked. Being an enthusiast with very limited hardware I bought the i7-4600m mainly out of curiosity and being the same socket to see if it were the same across early mobile HSW dual and quad processors. Still leaves a lot of unanswered questions though such as was it fixed up in the refresh or continued with Broadwell. For some strange reason I find it interesting to see how these CPU's can perform, whether they be desktop or mobile. Maybe because they are such an amazing piece of technology consuming huge amounts of energy in such a small package. The unlocking of the i7-4700MQ was more of an accident than anything, stumbled upon whilst I was trying to get the coarse bclk feature of the i7-4700MQ working (125MHz/166MHz..). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENiEBEN Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 I see, as I was suspecting, it's only for AMI Aptio, there were reports of this before on notebookreview. Have you tried applying the same procedure on desktop non-K's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 0.0 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Nothing to do with the BIOS vendor GENiEBEN, it's a feature of the CPU's. It wasn't my intention to take points from the extremists and my entry is far from extreme, just to try and generate some interest. Hope I have done that, submission is now without points. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Strunkenbold Posted June 25, 2015 Crew Share Posted June 25, 2015 submission is now without points. Man are you serious? Please re-enable your points. Thats Overclocking like its meant to be! Its not about throwing LN2 at everything, your found a way unlocking Haswell CPUs. Might it been an accident but its still 100% worth the points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 0.0 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 TBH I don't really care about the points so much but maybe your right, posting 5th place didn't get any likes so WTH. Would like to push at least 600 but memory bandwidth isn't helping and the core voltage is getting high as is thermals. Have to give it another try soon, had really hoped someone would do it extreme just to see what is possible. Extreme is out of my means for now. Seems to be very little interest in overclocking mobile chips and now with the move to all BGA probably the last gen with which anything decent might be obtained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENiEBEN Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Seems to be very little interest in overclocking mobile chips and now with the move to all BGA probably the last gen with which anything decent might be obtained. Unfortunately yes, I can count on one hand the usual guys I spot in the mobile rankings. http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=131205 BGA isn't that much of a problem, after all there are BGA>LGA mods available, as long as there's a socketed board. I just wish more manufacturers used the overclocking options in their ME FW (or at least allow SPI flashing), so far only MSI, HP, Clevo, Alien make it easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Strunkenbold Posted July 1, 2015 Crew Share Posted July 1, 2015 Seems to be very little interest in overclocking mobile chips and now with the move to all BGA probably the last gen with which anything decent might be obtained. I guess if you open a thread at TechInferno you will get a 10 sites+ discussion. Apart from that you really should consider enable points for your 597xtu score as this should get your self some more attraction. And maybe Dancop has finally an explanation why he lost 40gp and doesnt see someone before him in the i3 4370 ranking... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I concur with Strunkenbold - this is damn EPIC stuff! (0.0 -> also check with Xyala about the interview stuff ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 0.0 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Thanks guys, appreciated. For some reason I thought not enabling points would leave the other competitors scores intact. They've done a lot more hard work getting those points with the hardware used while my own is, well amateurish. Managed to break 600 so happy with that. No more having to hold the laptop in front of the aircon lol to enable enough heat latency in the stock cooling to be able to run full speed for 5 seconds or so before power throttling down rather than thermal throttling at over 1.5V. I'll leave it to the extremists to produce some much better scores. Possibly all early Haswell mobile chips with ratio overclocking are for all intents and purposes unlocked and this "errata" is fixed by microcode update. The top multi seems to be 80 plus the number of limited unlocked bins. For example the i7-4700MQ has 2 limited unlocked bins so 82 bins is the limit, i7-4600m has 4 limited unlocked bins so 84 bins is the limit and so on. Obviously I haven't tried running those. I don't know if the refresh fixed this errata or not. Here's an example for the i7-4600m using HWiNFO without any microcode update and ratio limits set to max for the i7-4600m. If there are any extremists wanting to try this I would be happy to try and answer any questions regarding this although hopefully enough has been explained. Just a couple of things to watch out for are core VID reading half the real value without any microcode update and no VCCIN override until the update has been applied, well that's how it worked for me. Once the update has been applied any further attempt to change ratio's other than p-states will kill the unlocked settings. Not so sure about the interview after all I didn't beat Dancop the man himself, I just beat the hardware. An interview would look a lot better if done with an extreme overclocker IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 You're too modest 0.0 I think a lot of extreme overclockers would concur that your results are very interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 To beat desktop LN2 CPU scores with air cooled mobile CPU is more than interesting. I'd say exquisite! The points are yours and you deserve them. Great job 0.0! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
der8auer Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Really nice work there Well done and well deserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 0.0 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Really due to an unfair advantage Bruno. Thanks guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalFubar Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 im on a ailienware with a 4940mx cpu.. if this would work on my platform id be willing to give it a run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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