K404 Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 At the moment, a user can update their score without submitting a new result. Do people like this, or should a new score mean a new submission? It feels like a "back-door" method to improving scores (or submitting backups) without anyone noticing Quote
Eeky NoX Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 It wasn't the case before ? You seem to be right but, is it really important ? Every high scores are lurked from far anyway... Quote
Hondacity Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 yeah its a backdoor. i think everytime you click "save" it should be updated as new. +100 Quote
knopflerbruce Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 Even though I feel backups are a part of this game, new results should be published on the frontpage - agree with you guys Quote
Gautam Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 I can't think of any offense more grave than trying to improve scores. Especially when doing so with a "back-door" method. Prosecute them to the fullest extent of massman laws. Quote
K404 Posted September 1, 2011 Author Posted September 1, 2011 (edited) I'll never stop trying to point out ways to make benching more open, transparent and honest. If you don't like it.... tough shit. Practical problem: an 8800GT score submitted with an Athlon 64 from 2007.... I could update that with an SB at 5.9GHz and then use rule loopholes to say I dont need FPS breakdown, or resolution showing in my screenshot because it was submitted in 2007. BS clearly, but a validation nightmare. Edited September 1, 2011 by K404 Quote
knopflerbruce Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 I'll never stop trying to point out ways to make benching more open, transparent and honest. If you don't like it.... tough shit. Practical problem: an 8800GT score submitted with an Athlon 64 from 2007.... I could update that with an SB at 5.9GHz and then use rule loopholes to say I dont need FPS breakdown, or resolution showing in my screenshot because it was submitted in 2007. BS clearly, but a validation nightmare. That would've been a valid point, but it's possible to check if the score was modified Quote
K404 Posted September 1, 2011 Author Posted September 1, 2011 Does the moderation log give enough detail to tell all the things that have been changed? Quote
knopflerbruce Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 Does the moderation log give enough detail to tell all the things that have been changed? No, but why edit a 3 year old score? We can see if someone edited it, who did it, but not what was changed. Quote
TaPaKaH Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 didn't know that "silent backup" method annoys you so much ... great! ... will take note and use it in the future Quote
knopflerbruce Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 didn't know that "silent backup" method annoys you so much ... great! ... will take note and use it in the future And that pretty much explains why I use ROG CPUZ/GPUZ:p Quote
K404 Posted September 2, 2011 Author Posted September 2, 2011 No, but why edit a 3 year old score? We can see if someone edited it, who did it, but not what was changed. Because it would help people cheat. IMHO, a submission should be fixed in terms of score and hardware used I cannot see a single good reason for being able to edit every field in a submission, any length of time after it was submitted Quote
knopflerbruce Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 Because it would help people cheat. IMHO, a submission should be fixed in terms of score and hardware used I cannot see a single good reason for being able to edit every field in a submission, any length of time after it was submitted CHEAT is a strong word in this case, unless you found a way to actually do it by editing an old score and get away with it (stealth mode isn't cheating no matter how you look at it). A good reason to allow editing: typos, if people can't edit their own subs, then WE have to do it instead => less time for more important things related to HWBot. A better solution to your problem would be to revive the old notifications. Then you can see if a score is beaten even if some sub is updated with a new score. Quote
K404 Posted September 2, 2011 Author Posted September 2, 2011 (edited) I mentioned this earlier! Edit old scores, where new rules dont apply. Using old validation requirements to get around needing to follow new rules on submission, is cheating by definition You agreed with the idea on page 1, have you changed your mind? Edited September 2, 2011 by K404 Quote
knopflerbruce Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 I mentioned this earlier! Edit old scores, where new rules dont apply. Using old validation requirements to get around needing to follow new rules on submission, is cheating by definition You agreed with the idea on page 1, have you changed your mind? I didn't realize you thought about that when I quoted your post. The only way to actually get away with this is to use gear from the time the submission was made in the first place, if the score is from 2007 and you update it with a gulftown screenshot, it WILL be blocked if there are no subtests:p It should be possible to add some code that makes all pre-2008 scores uneditable... but then we need coding power, which we don't have atm:p Quote
Gamer Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 Don't lock the edit button untill the submission problems are gone. Good idea Kenny, why edit something a few years later ? Quote
Crew Turrican Posted September 2, 2011 Crew Posted September 2, 2011 Don't lock the edit button untill the submission problems are gone. Good idea Kenny, why edit something a few years later ? to add infos (mobo, ram, psu, hdd etc.) which there wasn't a "mask" back then. Quote
Gautam Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 I'll never stop trying to point out ways to make benching more open, transparent and honest. If you don't like it.... tough shit. Practical problem: an 8800GT score submitted with an Athlon 64 from 2007.... I could update that with an SB at 5.9GHz and then use rule loopholes to say I dont need FPS breakdown, or resolution showing in my screenshot because it was submitted in 2007. BS clearly, but a validation nightmare. Sorry...in all seriousness I agree. I'd say leave all fields editable except for the score field. No reason to leave that editable. The more serious issue would be people exploiting it to sneak in straight up cheated scores. Much more likely to escape scrutiny if they upload a legitimate score, then "update" it to one 500-1000 pts higher, along with a photoshopped screenshot. Though you'll never stop me from using backups Quote
Crew Turrican Posted September 2, 2011 Crew Posted September 2, 2011 i don't see a problem here with this. you can clearly see in the moderation log when a score was edited last time. so, when a score from 2007 was edited in 2011 it has to met the rules from 2011 or it will be blocked. Quote
K404 Posted September 2, 2011 Author Posted September 2, 2011 The flip-side of that is that if you go back and edit an old result to add in your e.g....PSU details, a mod will see the submission has been modified, then block a legitimate-for-the-time submission. Lets be honest, it's much simpler to just not allow submission editing. If a user realises the score or details are wrong after submitting.... resubmit properly and delete the wrong one. Quote
Crew Turrican Posted September 2, 2011 Crew Posted September 2, 2011 (edited) of course then you shouldn't touch it. deleting is not completely possible i think so you end up have millions of nearly same submissions just because you forgot something to add to a submission. Edited September 2, 2011 by Turrican Quote
K404 Posted September 2, 2011 Author Posted September 2, 2011 The trick is not be a half-asleep when submitting :D Because each result takes so damned long to submit in Rev4... that does become a problem I will never attempt to submit 125 results in one go.... not on Rev4 Quote
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