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I dug up a couple more screens to show scaling with frequency. Like I said 10s per 100 MHz cpu so if zen 2 is = zen 1 target for say 4.6 should be 7:15 but....I think just based on my 9:11 w10run on zen 2 and knowing how fast 7 is compared to 10...might want to shoot for even faster times as I'm fairly certain zen2 is faster.

OK so It took a little while to figure it out in w10 probably because I never bother due to 10 being slow but none the less it's repeatable in either OS. So first the comparison. taichi vs taichi. The bios is worth nothing time wise. The tighter timings are worth 2 seconds at best on a good run. vddr is 1.44 which is my artificially limited max for the time being it also passed a quick 360% hci run lol. Ill even post the settings for this run. you figure out how I pulled 6 secs out of my ass and you will be efficient Looking forward to getting back on w7

No steam just shedding some light on my own personal reasons.

I was not referring to you dumo. Your thread is not titled OFFICIAL support. And its not on XS either. It's rather simple though. If a company puts hardware in your hands to put up scores you put up scores. If its to help avg/gamers endusers then do that. Often I see it that its to help endusers but they put up scores. Those are the ones that probably should not be getting samples.

I am was still am but what I work on and what my goals are now are vastly different. I'm also usually late to party intentionally than the me first this is how to as I've been around long enough to know nothing is set in stone especially with ryzen and guides or info is better done on a more mature agesa. I stopped posting scores while having manufacturer support so to each his own. A lot go to unboxing/youtubers so I can't argue with that. My other favorite is when someone hits the avg 24/7 oc forums posts a support thread then proceeds to show the board doing 12-11-11 1900 with clearly unsafe 24/7 voltages and calls it done. Here is what you won't be able to achieve for your 24/7 usage but i'm going to show it anyway and call it official support and I'm not going to dive into actually stability because its time consuming and boring I just wanted the free hardware with the least time invested. ACTIONS > WORDS.

5. yep to gain recognition meant leader boards meant benching intel, not to mention there were those that claimed AMD blah blah blah so it was also to prove a point I was not a 1 trick pony.

I'll tell you why I don't. 1 hwbot should be for end users not manufacturers playground. 2 I want to bench the hardware and benchmarks I want to bench not what POINTS dictate I have to bench to be "good" or "top 100" 3 I want a challenge....how long since I submitted a score? still rank 217? that's sad.... 4 they flat out just burned me out. 1 can only do so much 5 I had to start benching intel even though my specialty and expertise was/is AMD.

that aqua is an expensive mofo….. yah zens sending me a card that's native to xp and 7. zen has my windows oc tool and winring file for r1. Its possible that it might still work for bumping manual voltage and multi in 7. getting bored running prime and hci 24/7. Need some 32m love to break up the monotony. Once I have finished all the boring crap i'm working on I can put the screws to this hardware but for now all results will be done @ realistic 24/7 conservative voltages as I need the hardware to stay reliable and consistent till I am done.

just checking efficiency per board. C8H on chopping block next. No luck with the 32m w7 yet, injected drivers into my old os still no usb Only difference in the timings is the boards preferred default odt everything else identical. Looks very close.

I agree and I can never leave something untouched. If I can't find headroom in core clocks it onto uncore or nb and memory ocing however in its current state core clocking in the high end segment for the ambient casual 24/7 guys is rather demotivational in its current state. I'm not really complaining as AMD and Intel is doing what I and many ocers used to do as far back as 3dmark 01 and they are doing it better. We used to boost clocks/voltage per game test. As benches evolved and you could not "pause" between tests so to speak we started using OC on the fly buttons, maybe drop cpu speed through a cpu test bump back up in game tests. Hell I recall doing some MOA comp where I was benching vantage on an IGP and I used + - OC button to run varied clocks through each test. Manufacturers took it a step further with variable on the fly voltages and clocks so in a sense put the ambient ocers out of a "job" so to speak. Ambient > sub zero as far as the populus went, no clue where it stands now but I imagine that ratio has gone down with the way things are currently compared to say 10 years ago.

chip does a sustained 4.8turbo all core with reasonable temps. asrock z490 average chip does 5.0 all core with NH-d15 or drp4 and 100c+ in real stability tests.

yah i'm interested if an 1800x can boot and if its faster or slower in this board and vice versa r3000 in x370. we may have a situation here where r1 was 3 steps forward R+ took 3 steps back and R2 took 2 steps forward at least as far as 32m pi goes.

the only non displayable bugs at the time were 3400 mem speeds. my imc was always crappy. Heres 3200 for comparison with DR bdie. hypothetically based on the scaling a 3600 imc would have put me ballpark 8-11/8-12

Ok so as far as efficiency goes take it with a grain of salt. Untuned win10. However I ran multiple times to get consistent results so we can at least compare apples to apples,. All timings and speeds identical. The takeaway is only that ryzen + 2700x in either the gigabyte or x570 boards is slower than ryzen 3000 or the 3900x cache is giving it an advantage. I'll verify if vendor or x570 in general and test a 3800x later. Excuse the lack luster mem clocks and timings. The hardware im working on and with right now can not be beaten on voltage wise because of what i'm working on. In fact I probably shouldn't even be "benching pi" but it falls into the grey area of me testing 2700x operation in x570 boards so that's my story and I am sticking to it. I may grab ahold of an x470 board just to verify some things, I will definitely look into this more and get the correct OS going again for this

sounds good to me. I took the liberty of verifying it still works. stock run on ryzen.

I see your point and I agree however theres one small factor missing. hwbot is technically a business. This site costs money as does any other ocing site. The less traffic it has the less sponsors want to pay for advertisements and or just pull out completely and advertise elsewhere. Just look at the state XS is in. It's on life support. It's not the only site https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/xbitlabs-shut-down.2497900/ and then go check the forums that they "saved" latest posts 2018.... your getting a glimpse at the future so I say do something preemptively

ahh damn I forgot about 295x2. that vega must be rare.

Like I said theres far more brokeazz gamers then guys with 9900K/2080TI so we target them. Step 1 would be designing a system with a reliable known to OC good @ ambients mobo and cpu that don't break the bank and vga that has good oc potential don't break the bank. Basically a super budget highly ocable system. I know they exist. It would need to be something that your sure you could get repeatable results out of. its most likely a lot of hardware many have lying around doing nothing now. step 2 would be tuning it and sharing the settings but no profiles as you don't want to make it so damn easy that they just chew and screw. You want them to at least have to learn how to navigate around a bios and have some hands on. step 3 proving its more than playable in games step 4 pimp/market the F out of it, use the hardware sites and every tool in the industries arsenal to get the word out, forums etc etc

There is always that possibility but imagine 25%(15k) of that 60K take an interest and even if only 10% (1500) of that 25% become even more interested and stick around well that sounds pretty damn good considering numbers are what 2200 ish currently? Sorry for all the math and hypothetical crap but ive worked with marketing guys so long...…...bear with me.

Anyone need a 5970 for stage 14? I can't even remember but is that the last dual gpu card AMD ever made or were there hotter monstrosities? I don't need it back alive and def don't want it back if it dies so no holds barred.

I think some parties have misunderstood things so let me clear some stuff up. I have nothing against hwbot or overclocking. For personal reasons I long ago changed my actual hwbot account info to something I would not remember while maintaining my forum account so that I could no longer sub scores. I also went into hibernation or whatever you want to call it. I still enjoy ocing and still do it on occasion when I find something that interests me (llano 3d or ryzen 32m pi etc etc ) or is challenging but I post it on forums and it ends there. If you think I sold my guns ( ln2 pots and phase change) think again. I still got my guns I still work on AMD hardware and with AMD but its catered more towards the average joe/avg gamer crowd. Currently its 5700/5700xt/3900x/3700x/3800x/2700x/ a few mainstream mobos and a couple sets of bdie. The purpose of mentioning gamers is simply its an untapped resource. Like I told someone in pm for every gamer with a 9900K 2080TI there are 20 broke mofos on crappy hardware. You figure a way to tap into those gamers and you might see a massive influx of new ocers. Be surprised how many of them don't OC or know how.

You nailed it. That's the extent of my overclocking endeavors.

The answer is obvious when it comes to 9900K, they were binned well. They have very little headroom and what headroom they do have 4.8all core ->>5.0 all core average chips comes at the cost of running 100C with high end cooling with little return in fps. If I wanted something to OC I would have bought a 7700K most likely but gaming/fps was numero uno so 9900k it was.

Ignore him terra, he thinks I actually need to OC a 9900k and that ocing a 5700 reference card is somehow beneficial, actually better results flashing to xt. Neither of which is beneficial as the actual FPS gains are laughable at best and unless I want to raise the temps in my house it pointless. As far as anything problematic is concerned, denial does not solve problems. Acceptance does because after that comes the question how can we solve this. As far as you attempting to insult my skill as an overclocker, carry on bud only making yourself look silly.