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yah i'm interested if an 1800x can boot and if its faster or slower in this board and vice versa r3000 in x370. we may have a situation here where r1 was 3 steps forward R+ took 3 steps back and R2 took 2 steps forward at least as far as 32m pi goes.

the only non displayable bugs at the time were 3400 mem speeds. my imc was always crappy. Heres 3200 for comparison with DR bdie. hypothetically based on the scaling a 3600 imc would have put me ballpark 8-11/8-12

Ok so as far as efficiency goes take it with a grain of salt. Untuned win10. However I ran multiple times to get consistent results so we can at least compare apples to apples,. All timings and speeds identical. The takeaway is only that ryzen + 2700x in either the gigabyte or x570 boards is slower than ryzen 3000 or the 3900x cache is giving it an advantage. I'll verify if vendor or x570 in general and test a 3800x later. Excuse the lack luster mem clocks and timings. The hardware im working on and with right now can not be beaten on voltage wise because of what i'm working on. In fact I probably shouldn't even be "benching pi" but it falls into the grey area of me testing 2700x operation in x570 boards so that's my story and I am sticking to it. I may grab ahold of an x470 board just to verify some things, I will definitely look into this more and get the correct OS going again for this

sounds good to me. I took the liberty of verifying it still works. stock run on ryzen.

I see your point and I agree however theres one small factor missing. hwbot is technically a business. This site costs money as does any other ocing site. The less traffic it has the less sponsors want to pay for advertisements and or just pull out completely and advertise elsewhere. Just look at the state XS is in. It's on life support. It's not the only site https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/xbitlabs-shut-down.2497900/ and then go check the forums that they "saved" latest posts 2018.... your getting a glimpse at the future so I say do something preemptively

ahh damn I forgot about 295x2. that vega must be rare.

Like I said theres far more brokeazz gamers then guys with 9900K/2080TI so we target them. Step 1 would be designing a system with a reliable known to OC good @ ambients mobo and cpu that don't break the bank and vga that has good oc potential don't break the bank. Basically a super budget highly ocable system. I know they exist. It would need to be something that your sure you could get repeatable results out of. its most likely a lot of hardware many have lying around doing nothing now. step 2 would be tuning it and sharing the settings but no profiles as you don't want to make it so damn easy that they just chew and screw. You want them to at least have to learn how to navigate around a bios and have some hands on. step 3 proving its more than playable in games step 4 pimp/market the F out of it, use the hardware sites and every tool in the industries arsenal to get the word out, forums etc etc

There is always that possibility but imagine 25%(15k) of that 60K take an interest and even if only 10% (1500) of that 25% become even more interested and stick around well that sounds pretty damn good considering numbers are what 2200 ish currently? Sorry for all the math and hypothetical crap but ive worked with marketing guys so long...…...bear with me.

Anyone need a 5970 for stage 14? I can't even remember but is that the last dual gpu card AMD ever made or were there hotter monstrosities? I don't need it back alive and def don't want it back if it dies so no holds barred.

I think some parties have misunderstood things so let me clear some stuff up. I have nothing against hwbot or overclocking. For personal reasons I long ago changed my actual hwbot account info to something I would not remember while maintaining my forum account so that I could no longer sub scores. I also went into hibernation or whatever you want to call it. I still enjoy ocing and still do it on occasion when I find something that interests me (llano 3d or ryzen 32m pi etc etc ) or is challenging but I post it on forums and it ends there. If you think I sold my guns ( ln2 pots and phase change) think again. I still got my guns I still work on AMD hardware and with AMD but its catered more towards the average joe/avg gamer crowd. Currently its 5700/5700xt/3900x/3700x/3800x/2700x/ a few mainstream mobos and a couple sets of bdie. The purpose of mentioning gamers is simply its an untapped resource. Like I told someone in pm for every gamer with a 9900K 2080TI there are 20 broke mofos on crappy hardware. You figure a way to tap into those gamers and you might see a massive influx of new ocers. Be surprised how many of them don't OC or know how.

You nailed it. That's the extent of my overclocking endeavors.

The answer is obvious when it comes to 9900K, they were binned well. They have very little headroom and what headroom they do have 4.8all core ->>5.0 all core average chips comes at the cost of running 100C with high end cooling with little return in fps. If I wanted something to OC I would have bought a 7700K most likely but gaming/fps was numero uno so 9900k it was.

Ignore him terra, he thinks I actually need to OC a 9900k and that ocing a 5700 reference card is somehow beneficial, actually better results flashing to xt. Neither of which is beneficial as the actual FPS gains are laughable at best and unless I want to raise the temps in my house it pointless. As far as anything problematic is concerned, denial does not solve problems. Acceptance does because after that comes the question how can we solve this. As far as you attempting to insult my skill as an overclocker, carry on bud only making yourself look silly.

I'm long over it but with comments like the above antagonist you can see why I've reached F it. The quantity of those type of people have reached all new heights. I am under no impression that streaming overclocking could or would turn a profit. I'm just pointing out that marketing has turned there focus away from ocers in favor of gamers. Those youtube/streamer/ocers trying to sell you mugs shirts and whatever make me laugh because quite simply overclocking is only really exciting to those that see it happen live. As you pointed out the abundant sampling is no more in lieu of this ( i'm still not effected by this however there is a limit to how much time I want to spend on this nowadays thus much less hardware needed ). Action/Reaction the abundant amount of results that use to be done on this sampled hardware ceased to exist. This is an expensive hobby and i'm not even referring to top 20 even top 100 goals will set you back quite a bit so I can guarantee that has played a large role.

I recently responded to someone that sent me a PM. There was a big blow out of people a while back demanding settings in a AMD thread. Based on the effort that was easily observable by results in thread I basically said go pound salt. This person that PM'd me how ever has put in a ton of effort and gotten within 3.5secs of my time so I took the time to respond and point him in the right direction. I do not mind rewarding and teaching those who put in the countless hours required to get to that level but im not just going to hand shit over to anyone who demands it.

I think the point was missed. Subscriber = pay/donate to a channel. It's not free. We wont even talk about viewer count. We are just talking about 60k people paying to be part of 1 professional gamers channel. just 1 and there is a lot more out there then just shroud. Overclocking never had that even on its best day. I will gladly go back to my gaming and if I was a nobody it would not matter but I am one of many greats that have and will walk away and that attitude of good riddance is just another reason to

I use a computer now for what it was intended for than ocing. I played with it I tuned it I oced it I came to realization that 5000mhz on a 9900K is to hot I let cpu go back to stock. I use it for gaming. when 1 single gamer has more subscibers to there twitch tv or whatever streaming service they use than this site does members it opens your eyes. shroud has over 60k subscribers if you combined all the ocers they could not reach that. gaming is part of computing and thus the obvious marketing approach should put there focus there. quakecon and blizzcon have been around for ages, there is no overclockathon. If the horse is dead get off and walk.

This is nothing new. This has been going on with intel and AMD from the start. It's why some were benching xeons instead of IIRC gulftowns. The difference and why it effects us so much now is that like I said earlier variable on the fly clocks and voltage. When they determined they could deploy this reliably and mission critical stability was not sacrificed it changed the game. The server market has always gotten the best glass from day 1. It was not until they were able to employ variable on the fly clocks and voltages that we were effected by it much however. Since r1 they are sure to have refined there binning process, i'm sure if there are refinements or a refresh that yields higher clocks it will just open the door to a higher sku not higher ocability of lesser skus at this point in the game. @ alex. Imagine spending 4 weeks on a pre production board with no heatsinks. then imagine you need to make custom mounts just to bolt a cooler to a cpu. then you need to test and debug and review this hardware with shoddy bios support and buggy early silicon and then you get an email demanding to send it all back now today. your wondering wtf you did wrong, did you somehow violate NDA. you send out multiple emails and eventually you find out 2 weeks later after sweating bullets that it had nothing to do with you personally. Some nitwit violated NDA and some nitwit called Lisa Su directly ruffled her feathers and in turn she put out a worldwide recall on every single ES TR chip out in the wild. That's just one example of the BS that goes on at the top of the chain behind closed doors. Not my idea of fun and exciting and enjoyable. It becomes more of a stressfull job than a fun hobby. P.S. the nitwits involved were not nobodys, more like high profile big boys that should know better.

Yes bad advice is bad advice. My signature on oc.net says it all (which I no longer frequent due to excessive amount of trolls) "The problem with the internet today is the lack of accountability.On pc forums User A says no its safe costs users B,C an D $600 to find out he was wrong. User A gets off scot free.On the race car forums it is no different except $ amount. User A says turn the boost up to 26lbs. User B,C and D lifted a head gasket,cracked a piston ring, melted a piston...or worse just sent a rod through block due to detonation. $3k in damages. User A gets off scot free.Avoid the A's they will put a hole in your wallet." The other problem with overclocking is simple, to compete at the highest levels providing you have the skill requires either A. money (lots of it) or B. selling your soul to manufacturers. C. both Why do you think after I demonstrated BD on lhe and broke a guiness WR I did not review or endorse it. I'd rather quit then suggest anyone buy something that I myself would not buy. Not to mention the other crap that was going on that I got dragged into with multiple mobo companies.

Here since the screenshots got lost it seems. 4 and 5 gig lcc runs fwiw sub 6 was/is doable at 5450-5500 according to the calculations I had worked out ( -10s per 100 MHz )

Overclocking is most certainly a dead and dying sport. Compared to what it used to be to what it is now its already dead. Necessity is the mother of all inventions. Overclocking was invented due to necessity. Most did it to get acceptable frame rates on sub acceptable hardware that did not break the bank. It's no longer a necessity and nowadays on at least AMD its more like subsystem tuning more than anything else. The day manufacturers were able to achieve what we can not ( variable on the fly clocks and voltages ) is the day that we as overclockers became obsolete. To think that ln2 overclocking is the driving force or going to save this sport is absurd. AVG joe gamer and AVG joe consumer is what keeps the flow of cash flowing for the manufacturers. I can't count how many times I have seen avg joe comment on how they could give 2 !@#$'s less about what X manufacturers board did on ln2 because he runs on air/aio water like the other 95% of the world. Lets face it avg joe has wisened up and the manufacturers are aware of this. When ln2 overclocking/marketing is no longer marketable it will simply no longer be of use to them. EDIT: One other thing to note..... The majority of AMD overclockers are not even overclockers anymore. They use someones tool to spit out settings then another tool to spit out an attainable frequency. Take the tools away and the majority would not know how to set there own damn timings other than primaries. The reason is simple they don't understand the how and the why and the relationship between timings they only care about the end result and the quickest easiest way to get there. Truth hurts but its the truth.

Well its nice to see someone with the drive to push the hardware even if it lacks the global WR potential. Keep it up I like what I am seeing. Many seem to misunderstand me and my intentions. I merely show possibilities and capabilities and love to see people take it above and beyond.

Cold will help it but voltage not so much. Should free up the imc for you a little bit to. 3d is where the platform can get tricky with the apu and how to unlock its potential. I ran a ton of 3d on it. Pi was just once to see where it stacked up in the LCC category. Btw I do not think it is to far off topic...imo ryzen shares far more in common with llano than other arch that amd has released.

Nice to see someone finally get llano running fast . I checked my old post related to my run. I had said LSC and theme only so like i said i was showing possibilities for someone else to take advantage of. Anyway nice work infra Iirc and i think i mention it in the XS llano thread somewhere around 160 ref clk i was dropping a channel. Maybe that info will help.

See if i can help out with llano. Msimax has my "lab" and whatever boards i collected. Im fairly certain there may be a completely unabused nib llano board in the inventory. I had a ton of fun on that platform and liked the direction AMD was headed. Ryzen reminds me of it which is what i would liked to have seen the direction go instead of BD and why i am enjoying the platform.