mickulty

Since this is probably the final score, I should add - danke to @ground1556 and ragebone for the PCIe mod.

I thought they dropped the system picture requirement?

Saw this on the front page and got excited thinking it might have been a quad-core for CC :( Still, that's a hell of a strong score, good work man.

I honestly like stage 8. It's certainly fairly asymmetrical but I don't think that makes the other platforms irrelevant, especially as I'd expect most competitive countries to have a good PCIe score. If anything I wish it was unrestricted for PCIe to make it easier to get that score, but ah well. You also have to remember if it was 100% legacy, people who don't like legacy stuff would be upset. This way it's two scores on modern hardware (PCIe and IGP), one on oldish hardware (hybrid), one on properly legacy hardware (AGP), and then whatever weird stuff the PCI score is. Everyone gets to play and the cries of "why legacy in country cup" are quieter.

Bringing ethics into it is "more complicated than it needed to be"? Jesus christ dude...

Renting a cloud server would just be bad faith, and not the 'fair play' people are expected to engage in.

You already did this joke with AM2 superpi, get new material.

Not sure why GPU-Z shows Vega 11 as PCIe but it's literally on the same silicon as the CPU and 100% shares system memory so I don't think anyone will argue about it being an iGPU. BTW I really like the design of the stage... even if the PCI part is really annoying for me personally.

No pictures from the joint bench session? Who's akujik?

Voted to keep as is because the competition has been open for a week. Maybe not everyone likes it but it's not bad really - Fire Strike Ultra will absolutely run on cards that don't technically have enough VRAM (I've done it on various 1GB cards and a dual graphics setup with a 512MB primary), they aren't very competitive but wouldn't be for Extreme either and there's still plenty of scaling from how fast the cards are, it's not just a memory capacity benchmark. RE: 'server GPUs' the Titan Z and Fiji Pro Duo were both positioned towards gaming as well, and have gaming drivers and overclockability. Polaris Pro Duo is 100% workstation/server, no gaming drivers, hard to find and the only way to OC is use ati pixel clock patcher to remove the bios signature check then bios mod (or presumably if you found a way to hack the gaming drivers onto it). Make of that information what you will.

I don't know if this is intentional or an oversight but previous competitions have had some stupid petty arguments over the validity of rig photos. Bit pointless to have to deal with people complaining that one person has in good faith posted a photo from the same session but technically at a moment with a different CPU under the pot (and this happens to be revealed by a cpu-z window on the screen), but if someone was actually faking a photo for some bad faith reason it would be very easy to fake. It's nice to take and post photos but probably not much use to try and enforce them.

Much appreciated, thanks. That ycruncher stage is going to be pretty epyc to watch.

Historically competitions have always not allowed server/workstation parts so for the sake of clarity it would be good if the rules stated explicitly that they are allowed (eg "no restriction on server/workstation hardware") for the relevant stages.

I'm very glad to hear this! The interface has always been on-package PCIe 3.0 x8 anyway so it's definitely the best way to deal with them.

In case you missed it, the answer per the design thread is no.

Having hardware for 7 stages is pretty good. Group competitions will never be something you can solo, and while some people only use modern hardware others have a strong interest in legacy stuff. If everyone feels left out of certain stages, that's a sign the competition caters for everyone.

Ah, that's different. I prefer that honestly, PCI would end up being a red headed step child barely worth bothering with for the stage. iGPU, Hybrid and AGP are worth pushing.

GT610, HD 5450, GT430, HD 3450, HD 2400 among others. Oldest that run it should be FX 5200/5500. So far I've only found the 5200/5500 at a reasonable price though and idk if it's worth bothering for 60 points when you have a PCIe card doing 60,000 points.

I really appreciate you chosing to stay on @Leeghoofd, and thank you for correcting some misconceptions about the financials of hwbot. I'm sorry to say that at the time other people left, I still hadn't really been paying all that much attention - certainly not enough. We should definitely be grateful to all the people who have given their time to the overclocking community over the years. I know I've not been perfect over the years. Doing the right thing is a continuous process and I'll try and make sure I'm putting in, not taking out.

I dunno if anyone lines their pockets from hwbot, to be fair. Running a web service, especially a big one with a lot of data to store and numbers to crunch, isn't cheap. I obviously haven't seen balance sheets but it wouldn't surprise me if rich is actually putting more in than he gets out. Do correct me if there's a good reason to think otherwise.

Big respect for being the kind of guys to get a WR and still go improve! This is an amazing score!

So @Leeghoofd has been having to deal with more BS than usual, exemplified best by someone thinks that it's totally reasonable to expect someone to morph into a full-time paid ten-man team who could actually distinguish between cheating and magical efficiency on linux subs, along with numerous poorly-worded whines about country cup. Quite reasonably, this has led to him getting sick of it all and saying he's going to quit. Alby, I don't blame you for a minute if you go through with that. I can hardly sit here and tell you not to, I quit running a large discord server earlier this year for pretty similar reasons. But I do want to take this moment to say something that should have been said much more, much earlier - thank you. I know how shit it is dealing with a community that sees you not as a person, but as a faceless entity they can yell at and demand things from. I really appreciate all the work that you've put in, with modding and competitions, to keep hwbot and competitive OC alive. I know I haven't always agreed with every call, but what matters at the end of the day is that a call is being made. Regardless of it you quit or stay on, thank you for everything you've put in. I know I'm far, far from the only one who feels this way. I'd encourage everyone to share their thoughts in this thread, not just click a reaction button on a post, but say what they personally think. Let's share the love.

Lol, you got desktop android running huh?

I was reading Sandy/Ivy/Haswell/Skylake/Coffeelake as one each. So like 3770K+4770K+6700K+9900K yes, G4400+G5420+6700K+9900K no.

Because no-one has broadwell and if kaby was in there too the best hardware would be three near-identical platforms and haswell?