Xtreme Addict

I hit OCP without Reactor, with Reactor - I don't have OCP, but it's interesting

Also I am curious about it, but on stock LN2 bios I get good MHz so... no idea what it is?

Yesterday during bench it crashed and locked at x39, today my Z77A-GD65 is working X16 only... tomorrow I will RMA it and buy another one for MOA... Still no troubles with M5G

You don't have polish department of MSI in your country

Sounds good

You are right, many overclockers have copies from others... and so on. I also wanted to obtain my copy of AB Extreme but I surrendered with idiots in polish department...

Tried, I emailed to PR from VGA (Taipei) and everything was fine, he said they will send me AB Extreme but they need email from MSI Poland with confirmation of my identity. MSI Poland was too afraid to send email to him, they said they can't send information to main PR without special meeting of polish PR from MSI blablabla. Bunch of idiots, but MSI Poland is a part of MSI Global, so MSI sucks about AB Extreme.

Sad to hear Splave

Strong card

Those cards are I don't know... had 4 of them, 3 are dead, one burnt motherboard... some just work and clock another are the most crappy shit ever...

I also asked Massman for help with AB Extreme cause polish department wasn't able to send one email to appropriate person from PR department... and also nothing. Another adventure with MSI ended with fiasco

And that's the way to go

Good work

520$ in Poland + 23% VAT

In Poland they are/were in shops, I got last 3 cards

Good job

From what I heard GPU Reactor gives ~ 15 MHz boost under LN2, next week I will test it with 4x lightning 7970

I vote against

I used too long cables of poor quality so I had damm big vdroop, but I managed to do 1150 MHz GPU 3DMark 11 (the same as on stock crappy VRM - max of card, but with EPOWER I needed a bit more voltage cause of droop) but I in my opinion for strong GPUs like 580 EPOWER should be treated like rescuing GPU plan B (plan A - RMA it :E) rather than mod for MHz gain.

Haha I see we all agree that ~ 10 minutes of torture with PCMArk7 per run wasn't enough!

1. I agree with that, all legends started OC before they joined vendors, so vendor league wouldn't be good solution. 2. Dividing OC Leagues was a noble idea but all Leagues should be promoted the same by HWBOT, all deserve its place on frontpage in my opinion. 3. I think it's bad cause someone in OC League won't be interesting object for vendor, cause OC League isn't promoted. 4. It's a pity, but you honestly said about situation - I understand it. But beside it HWBOT can start gathering other OC software just like bioses, guides etc. 5. Vmods are vmods, someone good at modding like TiN or hipro can put a lot of work to do crazy vmods - I admire it and I don't say that they HAVE TO SHARE IT (but it's awesome that most of big modifications are publicly explained by them ). I refer to software, sorry but special coldslow bioses, afterburners extreme or any other special software (high voltage, high clocks) etc. aren't skill or hard work, all those softwares are created by vendors and in many cases they are sent only for special overclockers. Is that skill? In my opinion - NO, that's why I would love to see that some big player in OC comunity (like HWBOT) started better policy and collect, politely ask vendors to make it public etc. I hope you catch me. So summing up, I didn't want to offend anyone, I only describe my suggestions: 1. Don't give more restrictions for leagues. 2. Promote other leagues the same as PRO or delete leagues. 3. Start collecting special versions of OC utilities etc, gather public (tested) vmods, maybe prepare guides? I guess there is a lot of people who would help in that. Let's start better atmosphere in OC community.

I don't see in my post heavy words. I guess you misunderstood me. I don't say that HWBOT is bad, I only say that HWBOT is OC dictator cause HWBOT staff decides where give points and when points are given people start benching cause points are now important. That's my opinion and without strong arguments I won't change it. I don't like points as I wrote in my previous post, it's killing atmosphere in OC community, that's my opinion and I speak it loudly but I also wrote that new revision of HWBOT is good for me (I like fact, that now people start benching 2x GPU, 3x GPU cause I love multigpu), but another restrictions in my opinion aren't good.

My point is that you play and behave as OC GODS. HWBOT now is so popular in OC world, is a marketing game through vendors, in fact is the only ranking and almost all great overclockers are submitting results. HWBOT changed overclocking art and has the biggest influence for benchmarking. Why? You gave Heaven global points... and what? everyone is playing it now etc. One year ago when 3DMark 11 was new and didn't have global points, who cared about benchmarking it? Purposely or not,you are dictators in OC community, it's the fact. I don't say that HWBOT is bad but beside benefits from it I see also a lot of disadvantages. I totally understand the idea of HWBOT and see how many good things you guys have done for overclockers. The most important for me is the number overclockers, we are in hundreds, not just few enthusiasts like years ago. Everyday we see new scores. Also you are gathering special bioses, try to publish tweaks. But on the other hand you are also too bounded with sponsors. Why Afterburners Extreme Editions aren't published in forums, just like coldslow bioses? Because MSI is HWBOT sponsor... And only special people have access to it. You introduced points and made OC community hostile, cause it's programmed in human nature, that someone wants to be better than other and thanks to points it's very "clear" for the first glance and second thing is that now vendors are also in the race. In my opinion dividing leagues was a mistake, why? The most visible is PRO in the frontpage. If normal leagues were also promoted it would be better, but now vendors only are interested in PRO league. Some voices say create another "Vendor league" but it would be another mistake. People who overclock for vendors like it and are also human beings and most of them were overclocking way before they became vendors employees. If you want to create more friendly atmosphere delete points or play nice role and publish all utilities for extreme oc, guides, mods etc. and so on, despite "sponsorship", it would create more equal chances. As Mafio said, there will always be people who can buy more hw and bin it, binning is only the matter of $ or connections, only one factor will do - if someone can buy 100x 2600K or 100x 3960X retails, he doesn't need vendors help, only some tools for extreme OC. And now I ask you guys, if someone bin for their earned money is good? and when someone bin hw because he has connections is bad? Remember, if you have $ you can buy everything, ES samples, Xpander and so on. Introducing another restrictions will be more and more playing OC GOD role. Leave hwbot system just like now, it's tolerable or do something for hostility in OC community and delete all points. that's my point, those OC points are killing OC for various hardware I liked the way before - 1x global points per benchmark, and WR for 4x GPU actions, but than 2x GPU or 3x GPU was simply DEAD, now new model develops 2x and 3x benching. All things have positives and negatives. I would leave it just like it's now.

I guess those cards have CB issues the same as 6970. Some cards worked at full pot and some crashed -5 or -20*C. Depends on sample. I had to handpick 4x GPU from 12 pieces for 4x 6970 @ LN2, handpicking only gpus in order to run cold, not MHz. What's more, most 5870 didn't have CB but I had some samples which worked only up to -100*C.

Referring to topic title: Evbot is/was retail, I have even invoice for it, bought it in Poland. Epower WILL BE RELEASED SOON and for sure it will be available in EVGA store in US, hope it will be also available in EU, cause I love my ES and want to buy more of it Asus Xpander - retail availability was a joke, I agree, I was looking for it in Poland and couldn't find it, asked Asus Poland to organise samples - they ordered and gave me 2x pieces (one is dead by now), but we can be happy that those times are over. Now AM3+ and X79 supports 4-Way without this crap (which was really hard for benching). And my 2 cents to the whole idea of this conversation: REMOVE POINTS in HWBOT and it will CURE all the hostile atmosphere in OC community! Once overclocking was an art - now it's the race. Of course there are some positive sides of points - more and more overclockers try to do their best, cause they want to be better than others (points), manufactures think about OC and their products which are dedicated seem to be much better but the pure idea of OC is now dead. OC became a marketing game. More and more people overclock hardware which they don't want even to see and power on like spermons single core, only for points in wprime etc.. now you also have to spent more cash for OC than ever. Stop it by removing all points or leave it. For overclockers who can't stand they are not able to compete with the best because of $ or bad samples - leave OC scene or simply shut up and do your best. I still overclock hardware which I like, I try challenges (like 4-Way @ LN2) because I like it, but I don't really care about points. I have never run Heaven for points - why? cause I think it's one of the most crappy benchmarks (the winner is PCMARK) but I try to overclock serious staff for serious frequencies and strong scores. So now I am 3th in Poland and I am the only one who played with 4-Way on LN2, 4x 6970 @ LN2, I am one man army for 5 to 6 pots (4x GPU, 1x CPU and 1x NB) and I am 3th. The first overclockers in Poland is now Khalam who has never seen LN2 in reality. Love 2600K architecture yeah. Am I complaining? - maybe it's a bit frustrating but I don't care about points, for me OC is an art and entertainment! TO HWBOT: Leave things like they are now or remove all points in all categories. In my opinion you are not OC GODS to decide for the whole community. Everyone has the same right to publish scores after the launchday - if not, more and more people will go to PRO League and then PRO League will become not PRO League or just the only NORMAL league where we can put results from all categories, ES, new hardware and so on.