Mr. Fox

No wonder this sport is dying. Going Stasi-psycho-chihuahua because of a few random cheaters because it threatens a small group's ability to claim dominion is enough to make a lot of people (the peasants) say to hell with all of it. If this is the new approach I think all of the submissions from the least to the greatest should be wiped out completely rather than taking guesses at who might be cheating and who isn't and arbitrarily invalidating the scores of someone that "must be a cheater" because they are not a known member of the HWBOT Royalty.

I guess 4090 owners are not the only early adoption casualty. Team Red has their own drama going on now, too. https://github.com/Mesa3D/mesa/blob/2ed9eb1b633f214ff8900ab3be9e639f87cebaef/src/gallium/drivers/radeonsi/si_state_shaders.cpp#L671

Then nobody can say they're being treated differently, scrutinized through biased eyes or having their scores treated unfairly. I mean, if it is really that important to make a new rule that applies to a new niche product, it would probably add value to have only clean data as well as not generating additional angst and controversy. If the people with high scores that get wiped out were submitting legit benchmark runs with reliable hardware they can just do it again and resubmit. Not the end of the world, and certainly removes any questions or doubt about fairness and rules applying equitably to all. Until UL fixes 3DMark and updates SystemInfo to determine when ECC is enabled/disabled, nobody gets to submit 3DMark benches. Uncomplicated and fair, and no basis for controversy or an appearance of loose and subjective rule enforcement that varies by user name.

Maybe all 4090 GPU submissions should be invalidated until all of the details are worked out and then everyone benching a 4090 can start off with a clean slate and level playing field rather than arbitrary selection of scores based on an individual's impression of the result.

It seems so. I am not sure what that means. Futuremark's products were better before UL got involved and messed things up. But, we see that scenario play out with lots of things. Big company buys little company, then turn their gold into garbage... then eventually get rid of it because it wasn't their baby and became too much of a burden to support it.

Things have seemingly gone downhill with UL over the past few years. Most of the new things they do with their bloated 3DMark "Swiss Army knife" benchmark suck. But, that is the case with a great deal of things in the realm of PC technology. Everything is becoming buggier, more dumbed-down and effed up. It might make sense to ban UL benchmarks like what was done with XTU. They need to get their act together, so maybe giving them a "vacation" from HWBOT relevance is a better idea.

Man, I sure am glad I did not waste my money on a 4090 at this point. Between this and the melting cables nonsense, my avoidance of frivolous money handling (and being a cheapskate) turned out to be a wise move purely by accident. I guess this is what happens when a half-baked product is rushed to market without all of the kinks worked out. For the ludicrous price tag it carries it should have been a little bit closer to flawless. Hopefully, all of the other lesser GPUs (that cost less) from NVIDIA and AMD are not going to be unstable garbage without ECC.

Correct, I did not catch all of that. Maybe the LN2 clocked scores were run with the ECC handicap enabled by mistake? The part that confuses me is singling out one GPU and enforcing a performance-crippling feature on it just because it has the exclusive option. Nothing else ever had it before, and it is not clear why anyone buying a 4090 would want it enabled unless they were using it for business-related reasons. To make that logical would require the exclusion of all submissions by GPUs that do not have the ECC feature as well. Unless what I mentioned before is accurate and the 4090 is a flawed product that produces consistently erroneous results without ECC enabled, in which case there should not be an option available in NVCP to disable it. It shoulld be enabled with no option available to disable it if that is the case. Or, not allow scores for 4090 GPUs because they are an inherently bugged product?

How are they inflated? i would have ECC turned off for normal everyday use as well. i've never wanted or needed ECC for anything. This means anyone that buys the most expensive GPU has to deliberately cripple it. Makes no sense you are required to gimp performance in order to be allowed to submit benchmarks. Is it because the RTX 4090 is flawed and engineered incorrectly and produces erratic results unless it is gimped?

The more complicated things get, the less enjoyable it is to participate. I sure am glad I haven't already wasted a butt-load of money an overpriced 40-series GPU, and seeing that doing so is going to create extra rigmarole and nonsense to have to be concerned about with respect to EEC on versus off, chances are a lot greater that I am not going to bother. Lack of Windows 7 driver support was a good enough reason not to, but this new reason is an extra excuse to vote "no" by not opening my wallet.

Thought I would share something here that might benefit others if they are encountering the same thing. Every time I would try to access this community, I was locked out for failed access attempts. I thought maybe someone was trying to hack my account. When I would request a password reset, often the email would never arrive even though the email address was correct. I would get lockout emails, but not the password reset email. Being locked out again this evening, I discovered Google Chrome is saving the same password for hwbot.org as community.hwbot.org. This is fine if they are the same, but if the passwords are different between the two web sites, Chrome will attempt to apply the one that was last saved in your password manager and you will end up locked out. You either have to make both passwords the same, memorize or save the password for the site that is different and manually enter it every time.

Here is this if you or anyone else still need it. 2052809590_MSIDragonBall.zip

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Do you have a pair of A-die left?

Fantastic. Thank you.

Wonderful, thank you so much.

Thank you. I really appreciate it. I am not able to read the text in the two lines I marked with a blue box. Can you type out what is there or post an image where that is legible? The original images are probably clear enough to read, but uploading them to a forum wll often degrade the quality. Thanks again, bro.

Awesome. Thank you, sir. ?

I only see two photos. Perhaps my request was not understood. I can obviously see the decal, but I am asking for a legible photo capturing the details printed directly on the black memory chips soldered to the PCB. I do not see a photo of that.

@tps3443is purchasing. Thread title updated to "sold"

Motherboard and Memory Combo: $475.00 including shipping* MSI MEG Z690 Unify-X Motherboard - original box and all original accessories Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR5-6000 32GB (2x16GB) Condition: Excellent Warranty: No warranty provided by seller. Still under warranty with MSI. Purchased motherboard 3/1/2022 from NewEgg. Reason for sale: Upgraded - No Longer Needed Payment: PayPal, Zelle Item location: San Tan Valley, AZ (free pickup available in Phoenix area) Shipping: *Free ground shipping extends only to US buyers in the lower 48 states International shipping: Maybe - I will make an exception for someone in good standing and well-known this forum. International buyers will cover actual shipping, tax or other costs associated with the purchase. Handling time: Ships same if purchased by noon Arizona time, no later than next business day (local pickup also available) Feedback: eBay Profile; OC.net MarketPlace

Can you please post a photo showing the part numbers printed on the memory IC chips when you have time? I would really appreciate it. Have a nice weekend.

Sorry, I did not see your message before. It was from EVGA directly, before they released v1.10 BIOS with PPD exposed. EVGA is one of those rare (almost non-existent) companies that actually listen to their customers and care what they want. At the time I posted this I was unaware they they released v1.10 BIOS with PPD exposed. They had me test and confirm the mod they provided (posted here) worked correctly and that was before there was a v1.10 BIOS.

That has been sold now as well. Updated thread title to show "SOLD" instead of "FS" accordingly.

So, this needs an update to correctly identify Intel 12th Gen? My submissions need the CPU name to be edited in the form before the info can be saved.